Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
<img /3 - JJ OOP against a LAG <img /3 - JJ OOP against a LAG

12-28-2012 , 04:29 PM
I played this hand last night.

The table dynamics were loose and aggressive. Most hands were straddled and players were opening very lightly. Stacks were somewhat deep. Pots were routinely multi-way and anywhere from $60 to $120 after the pre-flop betting round. So in other words, it was playing bigger than your average $1/3 game. In hindsight, I might have should have changed tables when the big spot left since I don't have a lot of experience playing these type of aggressive games.

Hero has been playing for around five hours. I was stuck 250 earlier but then grinded it back up to about even, but I was now stuck about $200 again. I have a pretty tight image and have been folding a lot when implied odds types hands have missed. I started the hand with about $300.

Villain is a mid 30s white guy who has been at the table all day. He lost some pretty big hands but won it back when he busted the biggest spot when I was on break. He has been opening 25-30% of his hands to $16. He has been taking down a ton of pots by running the table over and making bets when he senses weakness. He is a pretty good player, but probably plays too many hands to be profitable long term. I wouldn't say he was playing maniacal, as he can find the fold button after the flop. He has about $1.2k behind, so he was me well covered.

The hand:

UTG straddles $6
UTG + 1 calls
+2 folds
+3 (Villain) raises to $16
+4 calls $16
HJ folds
CO folds
SB folds
BB (Hero) raises to $48 with JJ
Everyone folds except V who calls

I three-bet him once previously and he called pf as well. I took the hand down with a c-bet. No one has really three-bet him much.

Flop: Ac 7s Ah
Pot is $120 after the rake

Hero leads out for $50 (is my sizing too small here?) and V calls.

Turn: 9d

Hero?

My thinking is that he is at least capable of floating the flop and trying to take away the pot later on. But maybe I am giving him too much credit. I would at least credit him with thinking my three-bet range is pretty strong.

Thoughts?
<img /3 - JJ OOP against a LAG Quote
12-28-2012 , 04:40 PM
These types of Vs are non-believers on paired flops. I don't mind the bet for value, but you're committing to the hand a lot. I just bet again, and likely fold to any raises.

Another option against this type of player who may feel a need to rep an A on this board (and is less likely to actually have one) is to c/c three streets.
<img /3 - JJ OOP against a LAG Quote
12-28-2012 , 04:48 PM
b/f

if youre betting for value on the flop, nothing has changed on the turn


i dont really like the lead otf tbh

when he flats, stack sizes become really awk... theres now 200 in the pot and youre left with a 200 stack... betting 75 ott now leaves you with 125 and if he shoves we just lost 175

i would prob just c/c flop
<img /3 - JJ OOP against a LAG Quote
12-28-2012 , 04:53 PM
I may be wrong in my thinking here, but we really need to decide if we are stacking off in this hand here before we do anything on the flop.
If we are, I think a bet of 70-75$ on the flop might be more in order. This will push the pot to 260$ after the flop call, and we will have 185$ left which we can choose to push in on the turn or the river. If we don't plan to stack off, then we might be better off check calling, to see what his sizing is.

And am I the only one that doesn't really like the 3bet sizing here pre flop?
I really feel like the small bet size, combined with the dead money in the pot giving him direct 3:1 odds on his money, just leave his range a bit too wide here.
I think we leave a lot of Aces in his range that we don't like on this flop.
<img /3 - JJ OOP against a LAG Quote
12-28-2012 , 04:55 PM
I don't like the 3bet pre in a game that plays bigger. You are basically saying I'm going to the felt. I'm never happy taking JJ to the felt.

As played I check turn. I'm not happy after getting called on a double Ace board.
<img /3 - JJ OOP against a LAG Quote
12-28-2012 , 05:02 PM
Seems like a high variance line to cbet this board texture and then check/call it off vs. turn bet in the hopes that you induced a float in a three-bet pot.

Your hand likely looks like TT-AA, AK/AQ, maybe tighter depending on your image. So considering the board, it seems like it may be tough to get value from worse two pair hands on the flop. What was your plan if raised?

Think of the types of hands your opponent calls your re-raise with pre-flop vs. the types of the hands he opens vs. over-limps in a straddle pot. Now factor in the flop call, and the 9 hitting on the turn. So on the turn, if you shove, what type of hands are we getting value from? If you check and call a bet, what worse hands are betting? Were you leaning towards shoving, check/calling or check/folding?
<img /3 - JJ OOP against a LAG Quote
12-28-2012 , 06:14 PM
I think, honestly, I got a bit lost in the hand and didn't really have plan. Like others have said, I didn't want to commit my entire stack with just JJ but the V had me confused since I knew he had a wide range and had bullying the table. But in reality, his continuance range on that flop is pretty small.

The only thing I can really get value from is a lower pocket pair, maybe even just tens. I think he would have four-bet me with AA, KK, QQ, and AK. So his range is a pocket pair, AQ, AJ, AT, a bunch of suited aces, some suited connectors, etc. Like I said, I don't think he is folding anything pre-flop. But once he calls my flop bet, he had to have a piece of it.

I think think the two aces confused me a bit as well because combinatorial wise, it is unlikely he has an ace.
<img /3 - JJ OOP against a LAG Quote

      
m