Random low stakes cash players as a whole just don't bluff all that much. If villain bets turn, I'm for sure calling, I want him to either a) try to bluff or b) think his 99 is good. I think the general consensus of bad low stakes players will raise w/trips here cuz like u they "want to see where they're at" or be "zomg I have trips its a big hand I don't want to get drawn out on."

Let's say villain has TT, we flat his flop bet. I'd bet he's gonna call a $100 bet ott if he checks. Most of the time when we raise otf you're getting a fold from worse, and better calls. I think his $35 bet is almost always weak hands like TT, JJ, and occasionally a full house. Had you not hit a full house you said u were done w/the hand. You only make $75 otf. If u just call and we make a $100 bet that gets called on the turn u make $135. I'd rather not turn my hand into a bluff otf and make money.

Seems like ur committed to info bets. gl w/that.

I know it was secondary so I made a point to answer your main question first. Glad you posted it. I would not have minded if you posted it later in the thread, but it is interesting, so I would like to continue the discussion.

I dont think you will get his stack now unless he tries a bluff. 2 small bets on turn and river look like secondary value and they look like "information" bets. KK could call with it. I see it as the best chance at value on this "either you have an ace or you dont" hand.

You don't have to "bet to see where you're at." Applying this thinking means you are playing in the dark, so to speak, and are not perceptive of villain's possible holdings. You can use the information gained from your actions to narrow villain's range and proceed accordingly, there is nothing wrong with that

Assign a range for villain (albeit very broad on flop with limited information other than his weak PFR and weak flop lead): Ax, PP, FD/BD combo draws before the action gets to you.


You can decide if raising is optimal based on your ranging of villain (will he fold better/call with worse). If he calls with worse, then based on the range you assigned, your raise assumes a purpose: partly a raise for protection against his drawing range and If he folds Ah10h then it's part bluff. the only range really that remains somewhat questionable is his AX range if he flats.

But when villain flats your flop raise, you can discount PP and weight his ranges accordingly.

so, the information gained by your raise is obtained as a consequence of your action, not for the purpose of your action

But this is my whole problem with this plan; doesn't calling any reasonable turn bet commit us to calling a river bet due to stack/pot sizes here?

What I'm actually trying to accomplish is not get my whole stack involved (which I believe calling a flop and turn bet do). My thinking is this outweighs the missed value I'm giving up by raising out worse hands.

But can't you hand read even a little bit and get an idea about his range otf? Most of the time that small bet is almost never better trips cuz he'd be afraid of the fd. So it's mostly a fd or a pp "seeing where he's at" or polarized to the high end of a pot sweetener that flopped a fullhouse. Given u have one of the case As and there are only a few combos of 55 ur likely way ahead. He should be folding all his hands that are worse and shoving/calling better hands. Congrats u majorly effed urself from value(not being results oriented), but u protected ur stack. This isn't a tournament, so what if u lose half ur stack making a +ev decision(s), top off ur stack.

this is terrible advice

You can't just say the villain will slow down to a call, except actually he might take the call as weak...

I think the former is correct. At these limits you can just fold to a 2nd barrel unless he bets an amount that looks more like KK/QQ trying to charge a FD.

Would $100 (a mere 1/2 PSB) be considered a substantial bet or a reasonable bet? This sets up a $400 pot with $150 left behind.

What about $75 (much less than 1/2 PSB)? Even this sets up a $355 pot with only $175 left (a 1/2 PSB left on the river).

$100 is only a 1/2 PSB, offering decent odds of 3:1; is it really so much?

Maybe this is a stylistic thing, but I very rarely make any river bet much less than 1/2 PSB (including bluffs) and I'm fairly certain I've never bet less than 1/3. Course villain doesn't know that, so probably moot.

FWIW (I think I mentioned this in OP), I have absolutely no history with villain so I'm fairly readless here (he had only recently done the table change).

Your reason for raising the flop was bad, but the play itself was good. Especially if he is going to c/f the turn with most of his range. He would probably expect you to flat the flop with an A, so any hand that he is c/c the turn with is also calling your flop raise. Fd's and pp make up most of his range. If he will put in money with all his flush draws, but only put in more money with pp if he spikes turn then flatting flop is suboptimal. Raising flop also is good for metagame if anyone is paying attention, which prolly isn't the case though.

semi-grunch, as I've read up until this post. paraphrasing: I love those players who raise to find ou "where I'm at." I'll tell you where you're at: you're in big trouble. Who knows what book that's from?

Not saying this is wrong, but it seems that your plan then would be to put in 50% of the effective stack, then fold. Isn't that generally considered a bad idea?

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(always wanted to say that)

But yeah... I'm making it $22 on the button here and playing some poker... i think limping the button with this much dead $ and a holding this strong and stacks behind is just spewy


EHhhhh....... I just flat the flop.... if he bombs turn i can find a fold.... i think he checks turn a good chunk of the time and i check back and i bet 2/3 pot if he checks river and call 1/2 pot bets on river if he decides to lead.... i think just calling on the flop will slow him down... and most people (aside from young good players) still are not leading out with trips at this level so i think we have him beat

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