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1-3 hand vs whale 1-3 hand vs whale

12-09-2011 , 02:54 PM
1-3 NL.

Villain in this hand is a real whale, the money means nothing to him, he could play 10x the stakes comfortably but doesn't because he knows he sucks. UTG he raises about 40% and limps the rest. He'll call a raise of 25 with pretty much any two.

He also finds it extremely hard to resist gambling in big pots - he once tanked for 5 mins facing a 200bb check-shove on the river with J-T on a 5-5-7-7-T board. Though he did manage to fold that one.

Hero's image is TAG.

With that in mind, here's the hand:

Pre-flop: Whale limps (UTG). Hero Raises to 25 (UTG+1) w/AsAx. TAG live-pro calls (BTN). Whale calls.

Flop: Ts-4s-4x. Whale checks, Hero bets 50, BTN folds. Whale looks very weak, like he's gonna muck, but then says 'here's a donation' (or something similar), and calls. I've seen the Whale do a similar routine with nutty hands, but it usually precedes a raise, not a call. I think he genuinely thinks he's behind here.

Turn: Tx. Whale quickly checks, Hero checks.

River: T. Whale quickly checks, Hero bets 75, Whale insta-shoves. Hero has 150 behind.

Comments on all streets are welcome.
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12-09-2011 , 03:03 PM
Looks WP to me until the river which is obviously the most problematic part of the hand. Hard to say, but I might have checked behind. Seems like his hand is pretty polarized: he's playing the board or hit the magical quads. Looks more like a bluff to me.
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12-09-2011 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Make Them Dig
1-3 NL.

Flop: Ts-4s-4x. Whale checks, Hero bets 50, BTN folds. Whale looks very weak, like he's gonna muck, but then says 'here's a donation' (or something similar), and calls. .
It's a four. Snap and hope it's any 4 other than T4.

If he sucks like you say, I wouldn't be shocked if he thought 4x > AA here.
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12-09-2011 , 03:42 PM
I don't think most $1-$3 players check quads OTR. Looks like the pot is ~$400, so call $150 with only Tx and 44 ahead.
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12-09-2011 , 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
It's a four. Snap and hope it's any 4 other than T4.
I disagree with this. I think spazzy whales in general will try and get it in on the flop with any 4 (either by donking or with a c/r)

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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
If he sucks like you say, I wouldn't be shocked if he thought 4x > AA here.
This is still true though, lol
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12-09-2011 , 03:53 PM
Insta-call. If he has quads, I gladly pay them off in this spot.
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12-09-2011 , 04:05 PM
snap, if he has quads congrats.
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12-09-2011 , 04:13 PM
well, I'm glad that no one went for the lol-live-poker-soul-read-fold, because I snapped him off.

I was more looking for input on the hand in general... for example, does anyone advocate betting the turn? My check was a) for pot control and b) because it's a horrible spot to be check raised imo. But, is pot controlling w/AA vs the spot in the game what we want to be doing? Is there an argument for bet folding the turn?
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12-09-2011 , 05:33 PM
I like the check behind on turn. I thought you played that street perfectly.
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12-09-2011 , 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by fold4once
I like the check behind on turn. I thought you played that street perfectly.
I don't think betting is really an option.

Essentially, 99% of his range for calling falls into 3 types of hands...

Tx - Is now beating us
4s - Is now beating us
FDs - Sure, there is merit in charging the FD. But I don't think villain gives his speech/near fold with a FD
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12-09-2011 , 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
I don't think betting is really an option.

Essentially, 99% of his range for calling falls into 3 types of hands...

Tx - Is now beating us
4s - Is now beating us
FDs - Sure, there is merit in charging the FD. But I don't think villain gives his speech/near fold with a FD
Small and medium pocket pairs should also be in his range. Calling the river is a must given pot odds.
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12-09-2011 , 06:52 PM
and the fact we have the third nuts
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