What a hilariously bias view of life you must have. LOL @ your existence. Without even a slightly working brain its a major accomplishment you were able to use a computer.


Cheers

Hooray for complete non-sequitors!

this is quite the post. It sort of makes me wonder if you are old enough to play in a casino... If I can, I'll make sure you're carded next time.

Technically I'd be facepalming myself over your complete lack of understanding what's written in front of you.

The word "ass" isn't necessary, nor is becoming irate.

Calling 4xBB preflop in a cash game with JT when it's unlikely to get 3-bet behind you isn't a "major leak" which is going to cause someone to become a complete spewtard. Yes he's EP and it isn't desirable but you are chalking this up to the worst ply in the history of life. As stated already, we all know that everyone here is looser than they claim on this forum, and are probably in pots plenty of times OOP with marginal hands.

Who said this? I didn't. He's in one pot from EP with a non-premium hand, this is a bit of a far cry from playing "like a maniac"

This thread is why I like limp-reraising from under the gun so much.

Irate? LOL.

I obviously think calling raises with mediocore hands in EP is a much bigger leak then you do. And no, this specific play is not "the worst..." BUT the rationale behind such a play is and if it continues... yea it can get pretty bad. I think most of this stems from your desire to defend OP... which.. is.. pretty bizzare.

Also, you insulted me first and insulted me again in the first sentence of your newest set of rationalizations for playing bad poker... so don't be surprised when you get it back some.

Let's pretend we are UTG +2. Pot is about 84. Dude in front of you bets less than half the pot. Wouldn't you raise it up with ANY kicker to protect yourself against draws and so people aren't calling because of great pot odds? People play T7,T8,T9s all the time and there is an off-chance he could be holding something weird like 78s or 89s or a lower Txs even though I know he's generally "tight preflop." Most people have a stacking off point at trips+ regardless of kicker.

What kicker are we looking for if we aren't at least decently happy with the jack?

I'm not necessarily trying to argue against folding. I know I'm not on the level you guys are. I'm just trying to learn the logic behind what everyone else sees as a clear fold while I want to call/stack off.

Oh, and TT6ss means there are two spades on the board right?

lol no it wouldn't. ranges (should) be quite different.

this is basic ****. so is preflop. these things get mentioned so much because ppl on this forum are either butchering or not aware of basic poker concepts. so when ppl point out and harp on these errors its because those are what will have the biggest impact on the leaky players winrate. and those better decisions earlier in the hand will help them to arrive at better situations later in the hand.

whatever though, keep worrying about how you got to some awkward situation later in hand and ignore the mistakes made earlier in the hand since those are less interesting.

Maybe they "should". When Villain raises this flop to $100, you can take it to the bank that they're the same as I and one other poster mentioned earlier. The Villain described in the OP has few overpairs or smaller T's in his range, but almost all bigger T's, 66, and occasional flush draws, most of which would be big paint. It's pretty simple.

JTo didn't fold preflop. It probably should have. However, it didn't, and it arrived at the flop, and ended up in a precarious situation, which is what the OP asked about. His question should be answered. You guys are just angry that you got called out for uncreative, lazy posting which is wrecking the forum, where you contribute nothing but constant complaining about the TAG Bible not being followed preflop (despite the fact to begin with that most 2p2'ers are completely full of **** and are in pots with hands like these all the time anyway)

Why do you want to call/stack off, what does he have that we beat ..... you mentioned T7s, T8s, T9s. This is extremely generous and represent a part of his range that should be weighted much less than bigger Tx hands to begin with. He is way more likely to raise AT/KT/QT here than he is to raise (or even have) smaller Tx hands. Shoving basically never gets called by worse.

I never thought about "weighting" the hands more towards the higher kickers. I just figured half the time a T is a worse kicker (7,8,9), half the time it is a better kicker(Q,K,A), and then there's some nut flush draws that you are ahead of, so that folding wouldn't be good.

I see your point though.

Wow, just so much LOL.

Yea lets be creative, THATS the best way to win at 1/2.

C'mon, it's LIVE poker. Meaning, you're playing against human beings who are ALIVE. I think OP is in a way better position to make a clear judgement as to whether playing J10 preflop in this spot is ok or not.

Of course I try to not make a habit of it, but there are many times when the game dictates that you can play a marginal hand out of position even though you don't HAVE TO . If there's just been a huge pot, a donkey is on tilt, just rebought, and is in the next hand, there is no way I'm not seeing a flop with J10 regardless of position provided it's not too expensive. Then let's say he folds at some point and you're left in a tough situation like this. Isn't this forum for getting advice on how to make money?

How about this? I meant to fold but I accidentally knocked a chip in preflop while I was reaching to scratch my nose and the dealer ruled it as a call. now I flopped trips with a marginal kicker out of position and I want to know how to play it.

C'mon guys, carpel is right. If you've ever played any decent amount of live poker, you will find yourself in spots like this on a regular basis. OP is asking what the best line is AS PLAYED.

Let's be clear here: You should fold jack-ten offsuit from UTG+1 pretty much 100% of the time.

2OutsNoProb is not fighting with these guys about that. He's calling them out for incessantly saying 'fold pre' in almost every thread and offering no further advice on whatever postflop predicament the poster is in. And he is right, that is lazy posting.

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Fold pre.

I mean, I don't even know how to respond to you any more, my use of the word "creative" referenced posting had nothing to do with 1/2 play, a 3rd grader could realize that. You really are reaching here.

Cute. I'll tell you what, this is equally as funny as the other stuff you post!

of course it was in reference to the post thats part of the problem. Its a meaningless statement. A creative post? What does "creative" have to do with it?

Erm, sure, calling a UTG raise with JTo isn't anywhere close to being a maniac - it's being a loose-passive fish. When multiple people call behind after your flat (which is going to happen SO SO much at LLSNL, as you probably know), are we playing fit-or-fold post-flop? Yes, we have to. We're not going to hit better than top pair often enough to justify calling, and even top pair we're not too happy about - especially when we have a LAG PFR who is capable of barreling and putting us in tough spots.

Sure, if you get too bored while playing live to fold JTo to an UTG raise by all means do it - but it's a losing play.