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04-12-2024 , 02:30 PM
I would just like some insight on how I played this hand.

Dealt 5h 5c on button.
UTG Limps
UTG+3 Limps
CO limps

I raise to $15.
We go 4 ways to see flop.
5s 8s Qs

Checks around to me, I bet $20
UTG folds
UTG+3 folds
CO re-raises to $65 with about ($250) left behind.

I think it over and end up folding, he shows me a flopped nut flush. Should I have played this spot any differently?
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04-12-2024 , 02:34 PM
you do understand that you can beat a flush if the board pairs, dont you?
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04-12-2024 , 02:56 PM
This is a pretty easy call, and raise should also be a consideration depending upon villain.

You're only a dog to better sets, add in random queens, naked As, and the usual random wtf at low stakes, and you have enough here.
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04-12-2024 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NittyOldMan1
you do understand that you can beat a flush if the board pairs, dont you?
I do. With three of the same suit on the board, and the lowest set of trips possible, I felt like a call was hard to find in this spot. I’m curious as to how others may have played here is all.
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04-12-2024 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by SammyB1897
I do. With three of the same suit on the board, and the lowest set of trips possible, I felt like a call was hard to find in this spot. I’m curious as to how others may have played here is all.
when the villain's most likely hand is a flush and you are as deep as you are a call here is mandatory. anything else is bad.

if the turn is a nothing card and he bets big then i would consider folding.
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04-12-2024 , 03:06 PM
You had a set, trips is when you only use one of your hole cards and two of the same cards on the board.

I think most people aren't folding here unless the raiser was a tight nit (that's a player who only plays and raises with close to the nuts) and I would probably only fold to a turned spade here.
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04-12-2024 , 03:13 PM
This isn't a good hand to iso 4 limpers I would just limp behind.

Call the flop you are IP and have odds to make your hand.
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04-12-2024 , 04:16 PM
Actually think flop is close and don't mind a fold, if V is always going broke if the board pairs it's a call. If V will overbet shove on turn bricks and/or can find folds if it pairs, meh.


Preflop raise is almost certainly bad though. Just limp behind.
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04-12-2024 , 04:17 PM
Its almost a surety that the guy has a flush. Insta call. Hopefully the board pairs and we stack him. Very few players at this level will ever be able to fold a flush even if they know you have a boat. They will call and say i knew it but i cant fold a flush and the other players will nod in agreement on the bad beat as you scoop in a massive pot.
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04-12-2024 , 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by YanasaurBBQ
Its almost a surety that the guy has a flush. Insta call. Hopefully the board pairs and we stack him. Very few players at this level will ever be able to fold a flush even if they know you have a boat. They will call and say i knew it but i cant fold a flush and the other players will nod in agreement on the bad beat as you scoop in a massive pot.
This is so true at low stakes, i.e. the implied odds are nearly always good.

My bigger worry with calling is facing the turn jam when we don't pair.
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04-12-2024 , 04:57 PM
I don’t like essentially every action you took. I would overlimp the 5’s multiway. Once you build a $60 pot pre I would check the flop and take the free turn. If I had limped pre I would bet the flop.

AP I call the $45 into $145 OTF, Even though you’re 15% to boat up OTT. The has to be some IO and some chance you’re already ahead.
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04-12-2024 , 05:14 PM
Preflop is OK. You have position. It is fine if no one folds. By raising, you often get free card and can see a 4th card to make a set.

Not sure cbet accomplishes much.
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04-13-2024 , 05:19 PM
PRE - raise bigger over 3 limps. $15 is too small. I'd go at least $20 or $25, depending on how the table is playing.

FLOP - I'd either check back, or bet smaller. We're multi-way and it's a monotone flop. Prefer a check, but if we want to bet, maybe bet like $15 here.

As played, I don't think we can fold to the raise when we're IP with a set. It's really doubtful CO is limping in here with QQ or 88, or playing some other PP higher than 55 this way, so we don't need to worry about this being set-over-set or going boat-over-boat. V either flopped a flush, or he's on a flush draw, and we have the best hand.

If V has the nut flush, it'll be hard for him to get away from his hand if he bets turn and we raise when the board pairs. There's 145 in the pot, and $250 behind, totaling $395, and we only need to call another $45 to see the turn, so we're getting like 9 to 1 implied odds, meaning we only need to improve to a boat 10% of the time.

We'll improve to a boat on the turn about 15%-20% of the time, so we're getting more than good enough implied odds to peel and see another card.
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04-13-2024 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by hitchens97
This is so true at low stakes, i.e. the implied odds are nearly always good.

My bigger worry with calling is facing the turn jam when we don't pair.
We can just fold to a turn jam though if it happens. We arent committed at all by calling the flop raise.
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04-14-2024 , 01:28 AM
Surprised people want to check back this flop.
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04-14-2024 , 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by deuceblocker
Preflop is OK. You have position. It is fine if no one folds. By raising, you often get free card and can see a 4th card to make a set.

Not sure cbet accomplishes much.
Cbet gets you value from queens, naked spade draws etc.

Low stakes live game you need to get value from all the junk people will call with. Players will call with crap like T9 with a spade, JT with a spade etc

As played call the flop and if you have a strong read/he's a really tight player finding a fold to a sizeable turn bet is fine.

Against an aggressive player I'm probably not folding unless a spade hits.
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04-14-2024 , 06:54 AM
you provided no reads on any of V's ?

given you have no read on any of them, pre is a limp,

as played for $45 I want to see the turn
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04-14-2024 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
Surprised people want to check back this flop.
I prefer a check back because we raised pre. Our opponents will typically have more flopped flushes than we do.

That said, I wouldn't hate a very small c-bet.

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04-14-2024 , 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WPNdonk
Cbet gets you value from queens, naked spade draws etc.

Low stakes live game you need to get value from all the junk people will call with. Players will call with crap like T9 with a spade, JT with a spade etc
Yes, if the people who limp called have decent Qx they can maybe call one bet although we don't need that bet to be on the flop. Would have to be pretty special V to call multiple times with just a good Q.

Ts9c has 36% on the flop vs. our hand. 7s6c has 42%.
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04-14-2024 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by docvail
I prefer a check back because we raised pre. Our opponents will typically have more flopped flushes than we do.

That said, I wouldn't hate a very small c-bet.

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That's true, but by definition it can't be more than 25% of their range, and when you add in PPs, and offsuit hands, it's going to be under 20%.

Plenty of fat value from draws and pairs to be had here, especially in low stakes.
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04-15-2024 , 01:03 AM
How often do you guys think someone has flopped a flush here?
It's certainly nowhere near the majority of the time. Giving a free card to any hand with one of the suit seems like a bad idea.
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04-15-2024 , 01:05 AM
i think checking back the flop is good, i have no desire to face a big flop CR with this hand, nor do i want to build a pot. i dont care about giving free cards away on monotone boards as its just too easy to own yourself vs the flopped nuts. plus if the board pairs nobody at this level is good enough to get away from a good flush and you can usually stack someone at that point without building the pot beforehand.
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04-15-2024 , 01:08 AM
What hands would you bet this flop with?

If the board doesn't pair are you just going to fold the turn to any significant bet?
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04-15-2024 , 01:14 AM
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Originally Posted by chillrob
What hands would you bet this flop with?

If the board doesn't pair are you just going to fold the turn to any significant bet?
id bet small with the nuts inviting someone to come over the top with worse to "protect their hand.". probably wouldnt bet much else tbh. maybe if it thought people were good enough to see through that id bet with 0 hands. thatlll probably never happen at 1/3.

with a set, tptk etc type hands if the turn bricks id call any reasonable sized bet and see what the river is.

Last edited by NittyOldMan1; 04-15-2024 at 01:20 AM.
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04-15-2024 , 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by hitchens97
That's true, but by definition it can't be more than 25% of their range, and when you add in PPs, and offsuit hands, it's going to be under 20%.

Plenty of fat value from draws and pairs to be had here, especially in low stakes.
We went to the flop four ways. Probably closer to 50% that someone flopped a flush. Hard to get much value from PP's and off suit hands here.

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