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01-22-2019 , 09:28 AM
Hero's image is pretty tight as I have been card dead but not showing down any junk hands.

V1: Aggrotard constantly demeaning other players about their play trying to make himself look better

V2: Quiet older Mexican gentleman who had shown some slow played big pairs, and some random bluffs.

Hero covers in bb with roughly $700- 910

V1 opens to $15 in mp1 and it basically calls around to hero who calls.

6 way flop comes 81010

Checks around to v2 who shoves somewhere in the range of $320-$350 and it folds to H with at least 2 people behind to act.

Possible hands are an overpair, combo draw, or a big 10. I kind of put them in that order in my head also.

Unless I am missing something we are 80% against a range of any combo draw, overpairs, and any larger 10. I exclude 88 as that makes no sense but we are still 75/25 if it is included.

Numbers say it is a snap call. What say you?
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01-22-2019 , 09:32 AM
I say if you fold, you need to quit poker.
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01-22-2019 , 10:15 AM
Snap call.
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01-22-2019 , 10:25 AM
On this wet board, with a bet-size that seems optimized for FE, not value, I can't see folding here.
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01-22-2019 , 01:01 PM
I can't fault the preflop call. But I will say that suited connectors are way overrated in spots like this in that they often have far more RIO than IO (although this is table/opponent dependent). Unless there are some real morons in the mix, I don't think folding is horrible, especially OOP (which is something I never would have considered ~2000 hours ago).

The earlier in position V2 is shoving the more wary we have to be. The later in position V2 is shoving (with a slowplayed JJ or whatever) the more it's a snap sigh call. Probably a sigh call either way as he likes to slowplay overpairs (especially if he's directly behind the loose raiser). I would have leaned to simply donking the flop.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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01-22-2019 , 03:42 PM
I tank folded...... I had lost a rather large hand not too long before that and I let that affect my judgement. I know that is terrible to do, but, it happened. Obviously after reviewing and thinking of the situation off table, I realize it was a bad fold and it is what it is if he has a larger 10. V2 was in the co or hj I can't remember exactly.

I honestly expected the aggrotard to c-bet for about $40 and get at least one call maybe two and I could get crazy on any non incredibly scary turn to get the most value. I was not expecting a 4x shove on that flop. So that kind of caught me off guard.

If I knew I played it correctly, I wouldn't be posting here. So, thanks for confirming my thoughts on the matter.
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01-22-2019 , 08:02 PM
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Originally Posted by kittrell87
I tank folded...... I had lost a rather large hand not too long before that and I let that affect my judgement. I know that is terrible to do, but, it happened. Obviously after reviewing and thinking of the situation off table, I realize it was a bad fold and it is what it is if he has a larger 10. V2 was in the co or hj I can't remember exactly.

I honestly expected the aggrotard to c-bet for about $40 and get at least one call maybe two and I could get crazy on any non incredibly scary turn to get the most value. I was not expecting a 4x shove on that flop. So that kind of caught me off guard.

If I knew I played it correctly, I wouldn't be posting here. So, thanks for confirming my thoughts on the matter.
I want to puke.....

Its nice to hear some honesty and humility though. Just learn from your mistakes and move on.
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01-22-2019 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Garick
On this wet board, with a bet-size that seems optimized for FE, not value, I can't see folding here.
That's only if the V is a somewhat barely thinking player. The same kind of player who never does this with a combo draw is the same player who would "I have AT omg shove". I don't think this is as clear a snap call as others are saying. It's very player dependent.

EDIT--Ran the numbers on just T9+, 88, JJ-AA it's still a call so I guess call. I still think in general you can't count on a large overbet to be the other player thinking in terms of FE and value.

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01-22-2019 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by donkatruck
That's only if the V is a somewhat barely thinking player. The same kind of player who never does this with a combo draw is the same player who would "I have AT omg shove". I don't think this is as clear a snap call as others are saying. It's very player dependent.
No, its really not.
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01-22-2019 , 08:31 PM
I would remove OP's from his flop range and also discount his TX bc wow what a bad play with TX lol and bc of the slow played comment

I think he most likely has a huge draw here , FD+SD

I don't like your plan to x/c the flop either with so many players in ; you should be x/r'ing this flop with a bet and a caller or two

shake it off, carry on
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01-23-2019 , 12:54 PM
I have no problem folding here. I don't have a problem with calling, either, but he could easily have a bigger T. So many rec players want to protect, and people love calling pre w/ AT, KT, QT, JT.

I'd be fine folding for that price. When you have an absolute read on this guy, then you can call.
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01-23-2019 , 02:54 PM
imagine playing a 2-card poker game where you have to fold 9Ts from the BB
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01-23-2019 , 04:07 PM
You folded??!?? Wha!??!?!?!
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01-23-2019 , 04:55 PM
Scared money. Get up.
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01-24-2019 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
I can't fault the preflop call. But I will say that suited connectors are way overrated in spots like this in that they often have far more RIO than IO (although this is table/opponent dependent). Unless there are some real morons in the mix, I don't think folding is horrible, especially OOP (which is something I never would have considered ~2000 hours ago).

The earlier in position V2 is shoving the more wary we have to be. The later in position V2 is shoving (with a slowplayed JJ or whatever) the more it's a snap sigh call. Probably a sigh call either way as he likes to slowplay overpairs (especially if he's directly behind the loose raiser). I would have leaned to simply donking the flop.

GcluelessNLnoobG
interesting , id be loving 10/9 suited 6 way
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01-24-2019 , 07:14 PM
I like a squeeze pre-flop (approx. $60), especially if others are as deep as you.

On the flop, I have never seen a player 4x shove(for this many blinds) with a draw as opposed to check call & check raise.

You don't beat any other 10 combos, maybe 10-7 if he's calling pre light(but doubtful).
I don't think he has an overpair here as Jacks plus should be 3-betting pre.
The only thing you beat is 7-9d. Even then you will be riding the variance train for stacks.

I would fold, w/o a read on the guy.
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01-24-2019 , 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by kittrell87
V2: Quiet older Mexican gentleman who had shown some slow played big pairs, and some random bluffs.
If you have this info then this is almost certainly a call. This overshove reeks of him trying to play cute with a big pair and deciding to shove the flop for protection. Would he really be shoving a 10 w/ top kick here? As I think somebody mentioned earlier almost nobody shoves a 10 unless they're a complete newbie.

The all in amount is pretty gross but me personally I have to grudgingly call. If he just happens to have the other 10 then its a sick cooler but I just can't see where I'd fold here.

Aside all that the best part of this topic imo is that you admitted you didn't like your decision after and knowing that still came here seeking opinions.
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01-25-2019 , 08:30 AM
I’m all in.
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