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1/3 - Flopped set facing river shove. 1/3 - Flopped set facing river shove.

01-27-2013 , 12:02 AM
Just sat down, first orbit. Fortunately, V has been involved in the two hands previous to this.

Hand 1: Couple limpers, V raises, old lady calls. Flop Txx. V c-bets, old lady raises to 100, V shoves with AQ no draw, and old lady's T9 holds up lol.

Hand 2: Couple limpers, V raises. Short stack <100 calls. V shoves 9 high flop. Slight overbet, but not terrible given effective stacks. V has KK and holds up against a straight draw.

On to the hand, effective stacks $300...

Hero limps 88 UTG+1. Few more limpers including V in MP.

Flop ($18-rake) K87

Hero bets $15, V calls and one other caller.

Turn ($63-rake) A

Hero bets $35 (could go bigger, but both villains looked weak on flop calls so want to string them along as much as possible)

River ($133-rake) 3

Hero bets $75. V shoves for $160 more, Hero ???

Backdoor flush got there, but only makes sense for 56dd and T9dd. Rest of his range could be weird 2pair like K7 or A7. Given his action in the AQ hand I think it's also possible he's bluffing with a missed straight.
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01-27-2013 , 12:18 AM
snap call. if he has backdoor diamonds so be it.
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01-27-2013 , 12:29 AM
Inbefore9Tdd
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01-27-2013 , 12:39 AM
your mistake for not betting more on the turn. you effectively gave all draws about five to one with the way you played it.
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01-27-2013 , 12:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
your mistake for not betting more on the turn. you effectively gave all draws about five to one with the way you played it.
I think I'm going to need you to show your work on that one.
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01-27-2013 , 12:58 AM
I would bet more on the flop - 20-25
Bet more on the turn - 80% ish of pot
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01-27-2013 , 12:59 AM
what you need to do is go over it yourself and find out what i am talking about so you can learn the right way to think. that is how i post many times about things.
i dont spoon feed. but if you really try and fail to find it then i will point it out.
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01-27-2013 , 01:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
what you need to do is go over it yourself and find out what i am talking about so you can learn the right way to think. that is how i post many times about things.
i dont spoon feed. but if you really try and fail to find it then i will point it out.
I heard a really good line at the table the other day: Good luck. Jesus loves you.
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01-27-2013 , 01:09 AM
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Originally Posted by feel wrath
I would bet more on the flop - 20-25
Bet more on the turn - 80% ish of pot
I agree about turn, but why overbet flop? It's hard to get any more dry than that.
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01-27-2013 , 01:45 AM
I assume hes assuming someone connected with the king. Does anyone like a check though? You limped utg. Checking flop is so standard for a missed hand and you can disguise so easily.
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01-27-2013 , 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Money4Bacon
I assume hes assuming someone connected with the king. Does anyone like a check though? You limped utg. Checking flop is so standard for a missed hand and you can disguise so easily.
Checking flop is horrible. When we flop a monster we should be shoveling as much money into the pot as possible. I don't expect opponents at this level to fold Kx, especially given the description in the OP.

I'm pot/pot/shoving every time.
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01-27-2013 , 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Illiterate
Checking flop is horrible. When we flop a monster we should be shoveling as much money into the pot as possible. I don't expect opponents at this level to fold Kx, especially given the description in the OP.

I'm pot/pot/shoving every time.
This.

OP is getting too cute trying to draw everyone in. Unfortunately he´s setting a cheap price for drawers with all the serious money yet to go in, because it´s not like he can ever fold his hand now. The implied odds are frightening.

Get max value from made hands. And drawers to better hands should either get a terrible price or be forced to fold their equity.
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01-27-2013 , 08:00 AM
turn bet is horrifically small IMO.
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01-27-2013 , 08:47 AM
Is it just my phone or is this some LLNL joke? I don't see the hand...
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01-27-2013 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
turn bet is horrifically small IMO.
This, and call river.
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01-27-2013 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by BillFinch
Is it just my phone or is this some LLNL joke? I don't see the hand...
The app cut it off, go to web and you'll see it.
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01-27-2013 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TrixinDaboo
I agree about turn, but why overbet flop? It's hard to get any more dry than that.
limped pots are a great thing to overbet. if somebody has hit, they're calling 25 the same way they're calling 15.

Once you bet 25 and get a caller, the post is say 75 vs 55 if you bet 15. 80% of 75 is say 61 vs 80% of 55 = 45.

If you get called, then the $25 raise pot has 196 and if you bet 80% of that and get called you win another 160.

the $15 raise pot is 145, so if you bet 80% of that you get 110.

you set up max profits by overbetting the flop in limped pots
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01-27-2013 , 12:33 PM
dont limp pre

bet more on turn

makes river a lot easier
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01-27-2013 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Ray Zee
your mistake for not betting more on the turn. you effectively gave all draws about five to one with the way you played it.

I like it

there are other reasons you want to bet bigger as well

Mainly anyone who can play will play for more

and anyone who will fold will fold anyway.

there are three people and you need to make the middle guy guess about his implied odds that come from the third guys call. when he guesses wrong the best hand gains. (the best draw also gains) you potentially have both

also the closer you guys get to a potential all in finale the better information you get from your opponents actions.

AK might decide to get it all in now or by the river.

river decisions become a easier because of the pot size

slow playing (weak betting) in sizable multiway river bound pots is a pretty big mistake.
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01-27-2013 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke0424
dont limp pre

bet more on turn

makes river a lot easier
UTG+1 i think limping 88 on down, maybe 99, is OK.
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