Hero is Dealt 99 OTB. V1 and V2 are loose and firing away at each other at a high frequency. Effective stack in the hand is $350 vs all opponents.

V1 opens to $10, MP calls, Hero calls, V2 raises to $35 in the SB, BB calls, V1 calls, Hero calls.

Flop($140): 893

V1 bets $60, BB folds, V1 folds, Hero?

Pretty set on raising here because the board is so wet and V1 is showing up with all kinds of hands here. On that same note though, he can have lots of bluffs.

Anyone flatting? If no, what kind of raise size are you looking at. Facing a bet of $60 into a pot of $200, $315 behind

If he's coming to this spot with mostly overcards and some overpairs I prefer flatting in position since it's HU and giving him a chance to fire some more money in on the turn.

Not worried about being outdrawn here (obv it will happen often) but lots of turn cards kill our action.

The sizing is truly awkward. Any reasonable amount gives him a decent price to draw with good combo draws. If you raise to $200, even without implied odds he has to get there only 25% of the time to make this a profitable call. If he has JTx, he has 28% equity vs your hand.


Considering there is only $255 left on top of the $60, I would jam it in here.

Why are you assigning the 3-bettor “a lot of bluffs” in a 4-way pot that smashes the IP callers’ ranges...?

He should very rarely have bluffs here, and for the times he does it’s AQhh/AKhh/ some frequency of J10hh/Axhh that spazzed pre. Rest of his range is JJ+.

Ship the flop, he’s not folding here very often and lots of action killing cards. Raising anything less than AI makes no sense

You say V1 both bets and folds on the flop. I assume typo and that V2 is making the $60 flop bet.

I think your only reasonable move here is all in. Call is over-conservative for my tastes, and I think any smaller non-jam raise is a clear error.

Reasoning on jam as the only sensible raise:

* Overpair or combo draw is going to call any size raise within effective stacks, so you're not scaring out good-but-worse hands.

* Small raise is giving pot odds to draws, and you want to make draws overpay while you're holding the made hand.

* You're left with no good options if the flush or straight comes on the turn. You'd end up with something like a $150 stack into a $400 pot, which means you can never make anyone fold anything, and end up having pot odds to call even if you know they hit a straight or flush just to boat up.

My move here is to go all in. If they were c-bet bluffing they're not gonna fire another bullet on most turns. If they have a piece, they'll call all in and you want to do it now while you're ahead.

You’re right, he may not have had a ton of bluffs. But him and V1 played several 50bb+ pots in the last 10-15 hands and there were some questionable showdowns. V2 is not playing ABC tight poker.

That said, maybe cbetting multiway like this narrows his range right down. Don’t have a big sample under these conditions.

Yeah sorry, V2 makes the flop bet.

3 bettor most likely has an overpair here (JJ+) so the real question is what is best to get the rest of his $. Deeper I think we could flat and raise the turn, but once we call the $60 there is only $255 effective remaining and the pot is $260.

I actually like a small raise here, say to $160 total hoping that he shoves or calls and where he will get very good odds to call the rest off no matter what comes on the turn ($615/$155 or ~ 4-1).

And BTW, I don't like a shove here because I don't think it is necessary. It is 3! pot so even if a heart comes on the turn, with a smaller raise size, he will likely still call off, especially if he has an OP with a

I also get trapped in the hand preflop.

I'm probably just shoving the flop. There's a crapload of scare cards, we could be put on the draw, there's less chance of him bluffing into 3 opponents, and there's already $200 in the pot with only $315 left (he'll know any raise size is committing). I might more slowplay if the board was less drawy.

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Thanks for the replies everyone