Hero ($500): TAG reg, nitty image, flopped middle set in SB just one orbit ago in an 8-way pot, action went check, fish bets $60, another guy shoves $250, Hero flatcalls, fish folds... so Hero wants to change his line this time

V1 ($300): TAG reg, doesn't play too many hands or get involved with Hero much

V2 ($350): Fish

V2 (EP) limps, V1 raises to $15 in CO, Hero (SB) calls, V2 calls

Flop ($50): A 9 4 r
Hero bets $30, V2 calls, V1 calls

Turn ($140): J r
Hero bets $65, V2 folds, V1 folds

I tried to mix up my line due to previous hand, but it failed. Looks like both got too scared of their Ax because of my winning image and the previous hand

1) Is the standard to check/call flop here as TAG is expected to cbet 100% when checked to, plus board is dry and we don't want to chase him off the hand by c/r?

2) AP, is it better to check turn/bet river to get deceptive as board is super dry?

Hand is played fine imo.

You're stacking AK/AJ 100% of the time.
KK likely only gives you 1 bet regardless.

AQ/AT might give you one more street of value if you check.

Check the flop. If either villain bets, flat them and check any dry turn. If it checks through, bet the turn yourself. Flatting then firing twice OOP on a dry board like that looks like AQ+, AJ, or a set without some kind of read.

Stop being a nit

I don't think you've given sufficient reason to change your line.

It looks like a 3-way pot, not 8-way, so the pf raiser is more likely to c-bet. If it's the same fish, you took away his chance to bet middle pair or a pair that doesn't beat top pair. If V1 has anything, I probably want to let him try to extract from V2.

If you c/c flop, that doesn't mean you should check the turn. If you should check the turn and do so and villain checks behind, that doesn't mean you should bet the river. It doesn't mean you shouldn't either.

Well played, pre fine obv.

Flop lead sizing isn't that great though since it's just too big for TT-KK to call very often, but smaller than the $50-ish which Ax will call. I'd either lead something like $20 to induce a raise from Ax and get calls from TT-KK, or bomb $45-50 and stack AJ+.

Turn is close, I think that we can C/C here and then lead river since V1 is betting his AT, AQ, AK hands when checked to, but can easily fold AT and AQ to a second barrel. If turn checks through I'm over-betting expecting V2 to call with Ax pretty much every time, and expecting all folds the rest of the time.

Given the results I'd imagine that V2 probably had 9x, maybe an underpair or wheel-draw, and that V1 might have had ATs or AQ here given that he doesn't like to play against hero.

This is one of those boards that you're either going to get action (i.e. someone has an A) or you ain't. So I think bet/bet/shove is the best line.

When both players call the flop, I'm guessing there is a very good chance at least one of them has an A. But the good player could easily check back an A; and besides, he's unlikely to play for stacks with one pair anyways. And if the turn checks thru, we can't play for stacks (which is what we are aiming for).

Gnicehand,imoG

I think I would prefer checking flop with the strength of your hand and with the board texture.

^^^ Yeah, it's just that I wanted to play differently this time.

What's our standard line here? C/C flop, and then?

This is one of the easiest ways to level yourself into leaving value on the table.

If V1 is the kind of player who won't get stacked if he has AK/AQ, your line here should probably be what extracts the most money from V2.

The ideal turn action is probably you check, V1 bets, V2 calls, and you call if you think V2 is most likely to call with a hand like A7 if he is the first caller instead of making the overcall, but you should bet if V2 is more likely to call with TPWK if last to act instead of having a player behind him.