Playing 1/3 on a Friday around 375 effective with main villain who is on my direct left.

UTG (not important in the hand, but he's loose and a bit fishy) raises to $15.

We call in MP with KT

Main villain on our direct left calls $15.

SB calls $15.

Flop ($60): J 7 2

Checks to me and I bet $25.

Main villain raises to $65. Everyone else folds.

Reads on villain: He's an older guy, but he's been very active and has raised flops before with non-nutted hands. Definitely no OMC. At this point I don't have much of a read on him except that he's been fairly active at the table but I'm not comfortable labeling him a maniac either. Seems like a decent player...?

Anyway, I call.

Turn ($190): J 7 2 2

I check and villain bets $125.

I guess this is where we fold, right?

Comments on all streets welcome.

Fold pre. Seriously. KTs vs an early raise in MP is not a good hand.

AP, make a real bet OTF. Your price-setting bet looks like exactly what it is.

AP, fold turn.

A few reasons why I called pre:

1) I have a decent amount of experience and a pretty good feel for how UTG plays, he's not particularly aggressive and pretty sticky. I have stacked him before and I want to play hands with him. He's definitely a light raiser.

2) There's a pretty big high hand promo going, I could win around $1000 or $1500 for a royal flush.

I don't mind a smaller bet or a bigger one here. I feel like a jack is probably just going to call regardless of whether we make it $25 or $40 or $50. Maybe a smaller bet keeps in TT-88 and all 7x but we have a lot of playability on turns with any T-A and of course heart being good for us. I don't mind a larger bet or a smaller one here.

Even if UTG is a fish, you are in MP and can expect to be OOP with a weak hand post.

Your chance of hitting a RF given your PF holding is 1/ 64,974, or 0.000015390%, and that's assuming you get to see all five cards. Assuming a $1500 payout, that means your bonus equity is a whopping 2.3 cents.

Alright, so what does your normal calling range in this spot look like? Are you calling with QJs here? KQs? We're 100-133bb effective. Assume pots usually go multiway and 3bets are rare.

This. It doesn’t matter how good you are or how good you think you are post vs fishy X. This is the biggest excuse people give to play hands that they have no business playing, and it’s a leak.

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Ok someone give me a decent calling range here facing an EP open by a loose, fishy player who is not particularly aggressive postflop in a game that is your typical 1/3 game.

What are the people/stacks behind you like?

If he is loose fishy player who inst aggro post, you should work more on your 3Bet range than your flat one.
You are MP and a call just makes alot of players behind you starts to get a nice price to join the party.
Wanna play KTh so baddly from MP vs this player? So 3Bet it.

Not good enough to 3Bet?
So fold it.

I might be calling with Pocket Pairs, tho, but that unbalances your range alot. If you feel you dont have to be balanced vs your field, there you got your range.

Everyone is around 133bb deep with some deeper.

3b pre to 45, isolate the loose fish and play in position postflop, or just take down 19 rake free dollars a decent % of the time

OK, that answers the question about stacks, now we need to know what kind of players each of them is.

In general since it's a 1/3 game most people are loose passive hit or miss type players.

Raise pre if you arent worried about UTG.

If people are LP, you should only be flatting speculative hands like PPs, and three-betting liberally to iso/for fat value. You might flat some of the stronger SCs and maybe even the broadway S1Gs.

KTs is still a fold, but it's much closer to a 3! than a flat.

Mostly, though, you're not focusing on the right things if you're wanting a generic range for this odd situation. Usually there will be at least one shorter or more aggressive player behind you. Position matters, more than you think it does. So does having a profile for each V, not just the fish.

Far too early to be the first caller of an EP raise with this hand, imo. I fold preflop.

I'm fine with our smallish semi-bluff when checked to.

Thanks to our small bet and his poor raising sizing we're getting almost the immediate odds we need to call. However our draw is an obvious one plus we're OOP (preflop mistake) and it will be harder to get paid off. Probably a sigh / kick myself call.

I'm check/folding the turn.

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