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1/3 Double Board Bomb Pot 1/3 Double Board Bomb Pot

05-16-2019 , 05:46 AM
V1 is MAWG on his 3rd beer. Donates a lot to this game and is the main reason Hero is sitting at this table. $460 effective.

V2 is YWG. Winning reg. I think he's a tough player and I generally try to stay out of his way. $800 effective.

Hero covers.

Double board bomb pots play as a split pot game. 2 flops, turns, and rivers are dealt. Table posts a 10 dollar ante and betting action starts after the flops are dealt. The best hand on each board wins half the pot at showdown -- you can scoop if you have the best hand on both boards or if you bet the other players out of the hand.

Flop:
J♣ 6♣ 5♣
K♣ 4♠ 3♥
(Pot=100)

We look down at T♣ 3♣ in the HJ.

Action checks to V1 in MP2 and he bets out for 100. We flat and V2 flats in the BB.

Turn:
J♣ 6♣ 5♣ 6♠
K♣ 4♠ 3♥ Q♦
(Pot=400)

V2 checks, V1 bets 150, Hero calls, V2 calls.

River:
J♣ 6♣ 5♣ 6♠ 7♦
K♣ 4♠ 3♥ Q♦ A♦
(Pot=850)

V2 checks, V1 shoves for 200, Hero calls, V2 folds.

Analysis:
I think a hand like T♣ 2♣ is an easy fold on the flop to this sizing since we're risking our whole stack to win half the pot, and facing 10 completely random ranges there will be more higher flushes (11) than worse flushes (10). Given we hold a pair on the second board, I feel the flop call is standard; there are just two hands that scoop us (Q♣ 4♣ and A♣ 4♣) and we scoop a bunch of hands (all worse flush draws that don't contain the 4 ).

The flop call by V2 is concerning as there's a good chance V1 and V2 are fighting over different boards and we could be drawing almost dead. Turn cards on both boards couldn't be worse as Q high flushes pair up and it's possible either player may have boated up on the top board. Effective SPR in main pot is close to 1 so we need about 33% equity in the combined pot (or 25% if we think V2 is committed). Basically if V1 and V2 both make it to showdown we need to be good half the time on the top board. Should this just be a fold?

Given the spaz factor in this game and pot odds I feel committed on the river once I call turn
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05-16-2019 , 06:02 AM
Seems like flop raise/gii is obvious. We almost always have the best hand on board 1 (there are only 11 combos of higher flushes -- I get a 10.0% chance of one of 9 other players having us beat) and we're even equity-wise with a random hand on board 2. Basically, we're rarely getting scooped, usually winning at least half, and have a decent shot of scooping ourselves.

There's no runout that really helps us, time to make some villains fold their equity.
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05-16-2019 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by DK Barrel
Seems like flop raise/gii is obvious. We almost always have the best hand on board 1 (there are only 11 combos of higher flushes -- I get a 10.0% chance of one of 9 other players having us beat) and we're even equity-wise with a random hand on board 2. Basically, we're rarely getting scooped, usually winning at least half, and have a decent shot of scooping ourselves.

There's no runout that really helps us, time to make some villains fold their equity.
Yeah, I see your point, and I would have reraised this hand from OOP for sure. My plan, albeit risky, was to try to squeeze a bit of extra money into the pot, relying on positional advantage to navigate tricky runnouts. I can call flop to entice an early position player to call with Kx or the A. When the turn goes check/bet, I jam over the top to squeeze out the EP player. Actually, most players at the table were less than $500 effective. The awful turn cards and the deep stack of V2 froze my action on the turn.

Last edited by aisrael01; 05-16-2019 at 07:12 AM.
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05-16-2019 , 11:38 AM
I avoid bomb pots due to they always put me in the exact situation I think we should always be attempting to avoid: hugely multiway bloated pots with very low handcuffing SPRs. I guess if we play them far better than our opponents then we are more fine with them, but to be honest I think most people (including ourselves) are clicking buttons in them postflop at about the same rate.

I'll admit that I never play split pot games so I'm not as familiar with the effect this has on our overall equity, but I'm just shipping this flop. The SPR is lol 4 against the donator who's just PSB it and 8 against the deeper stack (where I still think we'll be forced to commit with our flush). We'll mostly win the flush board and meanwhile we can fold out a lotta hands that are sucking up equity on the other board plus have ok equity ourselves with our pair.

I ship the turn for the same reasons plus at this point there's only about a PSB left against the deeper guy anyways and is he really slowplaying a monster with fish in the hand or more just drawing?

As I say, I'm a little confused about the strategy regarding two boards, but I think there is some argument for shipping the river. My thinking would be we're pretty much free-rolling half the pot with our made flush and meanwhile if that's the board the action guy is playing with a worse hand we might even be able to make the better guy fold better on the other board and scoop with lol pair of 3s (obviously this doesn't happen very often, but it seems to me we're freerolling to attempt this, no?). I could be wrong.

Regarding the analysis, I just think we're never getting away with these SPRs with a flopped flush and thus should commit ASAP. If someone has better, then that's what we get for playing a bomb pot.

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