Hero is UTG w/ ~$1k. Early 20s white kid who has played no significant hands at the table in the two orbits he has been there. Villian is late 30s white guy who is stuck in the game and plays aggressive. He also has hero covered.

Hero opens to 15 w/ 66hc UTG. HJ goes all in for $80. Villian instantly flats the $80 on the button. Hero calls. Flop comes down 542dd. Hero checks, villian bets $100. Hero has ~$900 behind. What is the plan for the rest of this hand?

Fold pre fold flop

Not sure I raise 66 UTG with aggressive players behind me. (OK, I don't.) I might limp depending on table dynamics, but I probably just fold.

As played, fold to all in.

As played, fold flop. (Not sure why you wouldn't bet/fold flop if you are considering not folding here?)

I honestly think you can just nit it up and fold pre following the button flat.

You're oop and deep but not really deep enough to set mine super profitably for $65 more.

I'm not even 100% sure you should call the HJ shove heads up getting ~1.5:1. Maybe a bit more of a crying call than a fold, but not a fist pump either way. You might be quite a dog in the main pot, and it gets pretty complicated, especially oop, so folding seems fine.

As played, check/call the flop. Check/raising is pretty spewy - if he sticks around, you're probably beat; if he folds, you probably had the best hand. So you can't really get value or bluff him. The bummer is that even if you're currently ahead, he might have quite a bit of equity in the hand, but I don't think that's a justification for a check/raise.

I think you have to check/call and then check/decide turn, mostly folding to further aggression. He won't always continue his aggression on the turn, and six cards are pretty great for you - the two 6's and the four 3's. Obviously a 3 would be an awesome turn card, and if has an ace, he'll pay you off in full.

I would rather open limp 66 from EP. We have no idea if a raise is going to thin the field where we can cbet to take the pot on the flop, we're going to hate most flops, we're going to be OOP, etc.

I would have folded to the raise. First, there's a decent chance we're behind the HJ (and most likely at best flipping with no dead money in the pot). Second, even though we're deepish against Button, our implied odds against biggish pairs against him are only ~16x (admittedly, not horrendous), but we'll be OOP in a protected pot (difficult to get paid off). I'm guessing an argument could be made for a reraise to attempt to isolate with dead money, but man we're on our way to putting in hugenormous money with a speculative hand, plus Button could easily be flatting a monster here.

I don't really like the spot we're in on the flop. I might make a lol small bet of like $50 just to see if that folds overcards and be done with it after that. As played, I don't think we have the implied odds to chase a draw that will put up a scary board if it hits (with the only exception being a 3 if he has an A, but stars have to start aligning here).

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what was your plan when you raised preflop? (turn hand into a bluff, as you're forced to check/fold whenever you don't catch a 6xx flop?)

what was your plan when you called the shove and call preflop? (hopefully, setmine) Did you think you had the best hand? (hopefully not) Now that you missed, are you considering turning your hand into a bluff? (Your hand looked like TT-QQ, but then you checked OOP, so you're pretty face up here)

I think check/fold is fine. I probably would have muttered something about AK always missing and folded preflop to the $80.

Getting 4-1 immediate odds and almost 20-1 implied odds? Folding pre is a mistake.

The problem is OTF, we're OOP in a protected pot against an aggressive opponent who will make our life miserable on the turn if we call now. Our outs (assuming we're behind) are the 3 non-diamond treys and the 3 sixes left. Meanwhile villain can barrel a ton of turns and blow us off the best hand. Any A, K, Q, J is a good barrel card, as is a diamond. Plus there is a good chance we're behind already and we can't feel good about playing a big pot OOP with 66.

I check/fold here pretty comfortably.

I don't think this simply boils down to implied odds (which is a lot closer to a lame-o 15x than 20x I think). We also have to take into consideration being OOP, the pot being protected, plus Villain's postflop ******edness. It's pretty meh, imo.

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You might be right - I was trying to do it in my head so I can practice what I'm doing at the tables. Still, 15-1 IO for set mining is okay IMO considering we're facing an aggressive opponent who we can assume will fire at least one barrel OTF.

15+80+80= 175 we need to call 65 more so arent we getting more like 3/1 odds of am I missing something. Nonetheless we have terrible position and minimal reads. I think open limping is totally fine and it allows us to take flop most of the time. Being 300bb deep I want to see flops with small pp. As played im more on the side of folding pre. As it turns out if we limped we would of had good realitve position.

On the flop it kinda sucks but I think we have to peel now, which is why I prefer folding pre especially if our only ready is villan is stuck and aggressive. In reality though we have a dry side pot and a villan beting into us. I may just muck the flop as we are likely going to be forced to fold on later streets when we don't improve so we can get out with minimal damage.

I'm not in the open limping camp here. my utg opening range is 66+, AJs+, AQo+. I will adjust this based on table dynamics but in general you should be opening this. I'm not crazzzy about the pre overcall but I don't hate it. The flop is going to depend on your opponents tendencies. It sucks to be oop here so if your opponent is really aggressive in general I am fine to just c/f here and he can really make your life miserable on most turn cards. If it's someone who plays fit or fold I'd be more inclined to c/c and try to get to showdown. More often than not I think it's a flop c/f.

I'm not opening 66 utg. This spot is a classic example of why. Small PP just don't play well oop. MP and later, absolutely.

As played, just fold.

It's a leak not to be opening 66 utg

Easy open pre if table isn't 3betting a lot (1/3 never is), easy fold after the shove and call.

nailed it

It IS HUGE leak with the wrong table dynamics and wrong type of players behind you.

Thanks guys. I tend to like opening hands like 55,66,77 in ep cause it disguises your hand better. I think the standard play in these games is to limp those hands.....but most of the big pots you build are when you are behind. At least that is my take on it. No one at the table was three betting, so I was pretty sure I was seeing a flop and wanted to add a little deception to my hand.

Other thing is I completely ****ed up the hand history. Guy cold calls the $80 in the SB then leads $100 on the 542dd flop. So I had position, my apologies. Is this call pre still good in position? If so what are we doing the rest of the hand?

Position helps quite a bit in this hand. I call and evaluate. If checked to on the turn I bet anything less than a T or any diamond (of course I bet a 6 or a 3 as well).

Might have this a little backwards. What do we do now that we actuay have an over pair. What about on flops with 1 over, or 2 or 3 overs. What do we do then? If your plan is to flop a set then limp calling this UTG is far better than open raising.

The discussion is what to do in this particular spot. Not What our UTG opening range is. So what should we do now that we have raise called with 66 oop?

Umm Ya I'd say this changes a lot, being that position is likely the most important aspect of poker.

Folding the flop is silly getting such great odds.

as played folding flop is very horrible, as far as i´m concerned
i would like to hear good reasonings to do it from the fold flop camp, maybe i´m just a desastrous calling station.