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1/3 Bizzare Overbet in 3bet pot - Line Check 1/3 Bizzare Overbet in 3bet pot - Line Check

12-29-2015 , 08:50 PM
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V1 - Asian semi-regular played with him a few times and honestly seemed pretty straight forward although a bit more aggressive then most 1/3 players ie- 3bets TT or 99 preflop and bets draws when checked to, tonight however since he sat down has been playing almost every pot for about 20 minutes and playing especially spewy, donked off a huge pot on a obvious bad 1 pair call and has since gotten a little back.

OTTH:

UTG opens to 15, 2 callers including V1 (350), hero (340) 3! to 45 with AK on the button, only V1 calls.

Flop (120) 366, V1 instantly shoves AI for approx (290) and just barely covers.

This sort of a scenario is just so random and most everyone at 1/3 players so ABC that it will probably never come up again for about the next 1K hours but im very curious to see responses and reads as to why you would call, or why you would fold.
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12-29-2015 , 09:05 PM
Bigger raise needed preflop. I would say at a minimum ~$60. Much easier call on the flop with a larger raise pre, given the stack sizes. This autoshove seems like 77-JJ.
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12-29-2015 , 09:44 PM
75 pre.

Fold now. You're getting like 1.4:1. You need 42% equity.

Even if villain flipped over 87dd, you'd only have like 46%.
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12-29-2015 , 09:44 PM
More pre. I'd 3! to $70-75.

You probably have to fold. You need 42% equity to call. You have to assume he has 12-24 combos of mid-premium pp. You can barely justify a call if you throw in all AK/AQ combos.
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12-29-2015 , 10:15 PM
^ good post, but I'll just add that this villain almost never shows up with a premium ace like AQ or AK because, per the OP's read, villain would very often 3-bet those pre.

I thought about the same possibility, but realized it was very unlikely given villain flatted the initial raise pre-flop. Given that we can probably exclude premium Ax, it just makes it a bit more of a fold. Ranging villain is guesswork, but I think there's some pairs, some draws, some air. But I mean, even against 54s, we only have 50% equity. We fare very poorly vs the pairs. Over all, a fold imo.

Last edited by Willyoman; 12-29-2015 at 10:21 PM.
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12-29-2015 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
^ good post, but I'll just add that this villain almost never shows up with a premium ace like AQ or AK because, per the OP's read, villain would very often 3-bet those pre.

I thought about the same possibility, but realized it was very unlikely given villain flatted the initial raise pre-flop. Given that we can probably exclude premium Ax, it just makes it a bit more of a fold. Ranging villain is guesswork, but I think there's some pairs, some draws, some air. But I mean, even against 54s, we only have 50% equity. We fare very poorly vs the pairs. Over all, a fold imo.
Agreed. I don't think we can exclude premium Ax, but we should reduce the number of combos. Villains range is mostly pocket pairs and a few dominated Ax. Not enough to call.
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12-29-2015 , 10:48 PM
it does look like he's turning his hand into a bluff, but it's a hand that is ahead of AK. fold.

pre I agree 3bet to 75
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12-29-2015 , 11:07 PM
Much bigger bet preflop to $75-90
The value of AK, is that you can represent a big pair, whilst actually not having one.
Steal the $45 preflop in variance free money

Hitting a pair or flush draw is just a backup plan.
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12-30-2015 , 12:02 AM
Almost always a flush draw here. But still a fold. Just the outside chance he holds a 6. Is enough to sway the scales.

Raise pre to $60
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12-30-2015 , 03:17 AM
PF I make it around 70$ vs 3 players. OTF though the guy might be tilting, just muck it, as mentioned before we need over 40% to call here.
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01-01-2016 , 02:42 AM
Id 3! more pre with three callers in, maybe 65.

I fold flop, we showed so much strength pre why call here? Congrats to him if he wants to blow off his stack but odds are he isnt doing it with no equity and your hand looks like an overpair...he's ready to get called by an overpair = fold happily. Call him pre next time and stack him when you hit tptk.

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01-01-2016 , 02:46 AM
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Originally Posted by ohmyrage
Much bigger bet preflop to $75-90
The value of AK, is that you can represent a big pair, whilst actually not having one.
Steal the $45 preflop in variance free money

Hitting a pair or flush draw is just a backup plan.
whoa 90$? and what if you got a call with an spr of 1 and a board like this? ship? would you do that oop? seems steep.

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