H: tight aggressive Image I have the table covered

V: was up a lot now down to like 400 I cover. Pretty LAGGY

OTTH one limp I raise to 25 in HJ with As10s he folds to V in straddle who calls limper calls

(79) flop 9s2s7c

Checks to be I bet 50 (sizing) v check raise to 150 with 250 left? I decide to call? After next villain folds?

(375)Turn 2d v. He checks I check?

River Qc he checks I jam?

Idk how I played this

I like either shoving the flop or just checking behind here. I don’t think he folds pairs and you beat lots of busted straight and FDs. Given the action I think you have a decent amount of showdown value.

I just limp in but that's my style. I'll also get outvoted on this, but I also think in general that raising ATs to setup small commitment SPRs postflop is incredibly meh, especially OOP (still 2 players that can have position on us), especially this early (there are still *5* people to react preflop), especially since a raise often reduces the Ax hands to ones that dominate us, and meanwhile playing a high SPR with a nut flush/straight making hand is fine. I'd really leave isolation attempts to LP, but that's me.

SPR is ~4.5. We have 2 overs, nut flush draw and backdoor straight draw, so should have decent equity against most hands. I might consider bombing the flop for a PSB+ so that I can get the rest in on any turn (maximizing our FE plus guaranteeing we realize our equity).

As played, I'd just ship over the check/raise, especially against a laggy player who may be tilting.

I can get behind a turn check back as his check now looks tarpy.

I think I just take my showdown value on the river as all the draws busted. Also not really sure what we're repping other than AQss.

GcluelessNLnoobG

I don’t really see a hand you’d play this way. Every hand that folds you were already ahead of. I don’t love it.

jam flop or xb river. you have realtively good showdown value against other busted flushdraws or straightdraws. additionally, you dont want to bluff with spades, since these are the cards your opponent should be holding, so you block his folding range.

This was a strange line for H here post-flop (I'm fine with preflop in a straddled pot). H c-bets Vs' board: we might do this with JJ/TT maybe our QQ in need of protection. But we're not checking turn when board pairs on a deuce with these holdings.

AP: On river, we can check back or jam. H elects to jam offering 2-1. I prefer jam here because I think V has enough mid-pairs and 9x in his flop check-raising range that we need FE and the river Q favors our range. We block some of V's SD/FD range, so I discount these holdings a little. Even if he has 97s, he now has to worry that we have Qx or better overpair.

I respectfully disagree with Twitcheroo; I think V has plenty of showdown value in his flop xr range that we need FE against. Even if V has QsJs here, pretty high in his range, this would be a tough call for him against H's line and jam.

So the flop is really interesting because we want to go one of two ways - get it all in with fold equity and real equity as back up or see another card for free.

I like a flop jam (over his CR) vs this player or a check the first time around (there is another player so my preference is to check).

A fair amount of people donk bet a single 9 here before it gets to you. So there is a good chance they have nothing (yet) or a set.

LAG players, and in fact players like me, sometimes think - he's just c-betting anything, he probably missed that 9 high flop, let's take it away from him. Probably with a back up gutshot or something. So the turn and river checks are not necessarily traps they could be a bluff giving up or possibly a 9 slowing down. They could also be trips filling up and letting you catch up.

So shoving the flop is fine here, even vs a set it isn't the end of the world. Checking originally is better though vs 2 players, especially as we are in position.

If he has a 9 (88 or maybe even a 7) you'll get a fold a decent amount of the time, I would think more than half the time. You can sometimes have AA, KK, QQ that checked the turn back, more likely KsQs, AsQs, maybe QsJS, QsTs, 99, 77 hands like that. That queen hits your FD range pretty hard. So if he has a single pair a bluff is fine here.

Lots of draws missed and against most of those it doesn't matter if you bluff or check.

Obviously sets and 2 pair are calling.

So what can he have?



9x - A9o,K9s,J9s,T9s,98s - 28 combos
87s, 76s - 6 combos
QJ,QT,Q9,KsQs - bluffed, now hit, likely betting river but who knows? Discount to 5 combos.
Qs9s, 97, 22, 99, 77 - 18 combos
KsJs, T8s, 86s, - 9 combos

Better to bet but marginal - 28 combos
Much better to bet - 6 combos
Terrible to bet - 23 combos
Makes no difference if you bet - 9 combos

On balance I think I check and see what he had.

I think I like check back the more I think about it because im likely betting AA KK QQ JJ on turn for a small sizing.

It looks like he had a bricked flush draw as well when he tank folded.

If I got him to fold a 9 or 7 I’d be really happy with my play.

FWIW, he's not tanking to fold a bricked flush draw (unless he has 7xss, as I doubt he's folding Qxss).

GcluelessNLnoobG

just gii when he c/r'd ya, if we fold we give up our equity (we own half the money already) you'd be surprised how many times some lags would even fold so we still have some FE anyway.

Think we can call flop IP with our equity. Flop looks like it favours villain more than us? Our big aces and broadways missed, other than ss.

Turn I dunno LOL. Doesn't help us which is bad but it doesn't help villain often either.

River I xb because we have some equity. This smells a lot like 9x though so I guess if you think thats a big part of his range as opposed to say busted SDs and you can push him off, then yeah jam.

Dude what? No one cares that you limp preflop and no one cares if you don’t like to stack off one pair. It’s almost like you post this as a meme lol.

Bombing the flop isn’t a good idea either. Why do we want to keep the pot small when we have a good hand, but bloat it up when we have a draw? That’s backwards. We could also realize our equity via checking. Or betting small on flop.

But at least you make sense as played. Agreed we have to pile flop, and agreed that we have showdown value as played and don’t need to go spewing off.

IMO, this is actually bassackwards, imo. ATs very rarely flops a hand we want to go to war with for stacks postflop (and it mostly flops a hand we almost never want to go to war with). And yet here we actually flop that very rare case and yet we don't want to flex our FE in a pot worth winning?

Gagreeingtodisagree,imoG

Lmao, first paragraph got me to laugh so hard i almost spilled coffee all over my laptop. Word man, word.