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1/3: AQ on A35 board, facing flop donkbet 1/3: AQ on A35 board, facing flop donkbet

12-18-2014 , 06:15 AM
7-handed, $1/3

Play has been very passive at this table, no big pots in a long time, Hero has been playing passive too by constantly limping speculative hands and is getting tired of not hitting..

UTG raises to $7 ($500 stack, guy raises small with speculative hands and big with premiums)

UTG+2
calls ($300 stack, semi-pro, plays a lot of suited hands pre)

Hero 3bets to $30 OTB with AQcc (about time I raised a hand)

SB calls ($140 stack, old guy, bluffed me earlier when I openraised to $15 with T7ss in CO, fishy BTN and he called in SB, flop came K92r, I cbet $20, both called, turn Q went check/check, he led out $55 on a blank river, both folded and he showed QJo lol)

UTG calls, UTG+2 calls (wtf)

Flop ($120): A35r
SB donks $40, folds to Hero ???

Ofcourse, this hand is different from the earlier hand, because here I've 3bet a UTG opener, and SB still calls a hefty $30. How do we proceed here? I doubt SB is loose enough to call AJ or something pre.
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12-18-2014 , 06:37 AM
All in...they're not folding an ace. If he's got AK then pay it off.
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12-18-2014 , 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by wj94
All in...they're not folding an ace. If he's got AK then pay it off.
How about flat and keep worse hands in since the board is relatively dry?
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12-18-2014 , 07:53 AM
I personally think its a easy time for a value shove as most players seem to feel priced in.
Most players will slow down if you go into c/c mode.
Sometimes you even get hands like 99/1010 look you up.
You only have $50 left after the call and have no fold equity.
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12-18-2014 , 07:59 AM
Calling is fine but at the llsnl table dynamics
Plus money behind a shove sounds cool
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12-18-2014 , 08:09 AM
Sorry, SB has a starting stack of $180, so he's got $110 behind after his flop donk bet.
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12-18-2014 , 08:22 AM
How deep are you? Probably willing to GII w UTG+2 for 100 BB barring crazy action, but might not be so hot to stack off for 167 BB w UTG.

Previous hand w SB seems to indicate he's a bit of a button clicker, so probably call and let him do more weird stuff (obviously GII w him regardless of turn). Wouldn't be at all surprised to see a seemingly erratic player show up with worse Ax here. The only downside to calling is potentially letting UTG or UTG+2 draw to 2-4 outs for cheap.
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12-18-2014 , 08:29 AM
Still GII on the flop... cause he turns up with Ax or a mid pair quite often here. Standard spot.
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12-18-2014 , 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Brian O'Nolan
How deep are you? Probably willing to GII w UTG+2 for 100 BB barring crazy action, but might not be so hot to stack off for 167 BB w UTG.

Previous hand w SB seems to indicate he's a bit of a button clicker, so probably call and let him do more weird stuff (obviously GII w him regardless of turn). Wouldn't be at all surprised to see a seemingly erratic player show up with worse Ax here. The only downside to calling is potentially letting UTG or UTG+2 draw to 2-4 outs for cheap.
You make calling sound good...
"Folds around to hero", its HU now
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12-18-2014 , 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by universalpeace
You make calling sound good...
"Folds around to hero", its HU now
Oh my bad. Definitely call then.
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12-18-2014 , 08:48 AM
I called flop. Turn brought a 7 with a FD, V checks to me, I bet $200, V folds and I overheard him telling someone he had KK. WTF? People just flatting me with KK, am I that nitty jfc?
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12-18-2014 , 09:00 AM
Well, he might not have had KK. But anyway a 60 BB stack not getting KK in pre is more likely due to him playing bad/weird than him being concerned about your stackoff range pre.
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12-18-2014 , 12:07 PM
I don't find preflop obvious. I'd either (a) flat and play a nice multiway hand in position with a decently high SPR or (b) raise to like $50 in order to play a small SPR TP pot. Others will probably disagree with this, but I think the relatively small 3bet creates a small SPR pot where we will absolutely have to stack off postflop with TP and yet at the same time gives possibly multiple opponents okish implied odds to stack us.

From the previous hand description, SB called a raise with QJo OOP (terrible, imo). So I'm not exactly shaking in my boots here to his play.

Anyways, bottom line is Villain saw flop with only a PSB left and we've flopped TP2K; we're never ever folding to him (heck, I don't think we can even fold to anyone else). He's only got $70 left, so my guess is he's never folding, but you never know. Board isn't drawy, so I'd be cool with flatting and getting it in on a later street just in case he's capable of ****** folding TP here after putting in so much money. But a ship at this point is fine too.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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12-18-2014 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by fizzypants
How about flat and keep worse hands in since the board is relatively dry?
Shouldn't matter with these stack sizes. V either has an ace that he's stacking off with, or he has TT-KK and is probably giving up when you call flop. Just shovel it in and let him decide.
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12-18-2014 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fizzypants
7-handed, $1/3

Play has been very passive at this table, no big pots in a long time, Hero has been playing passive too by constantly limping speculative hands and is getting tired of not hitting..

Hero 3bets to $30 OTB with AQcc (about time I raised a hand)
You still in your a game here?
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12-18-2014 , 03:55 PM
Just flat and GII on any turn whatsoever. Don't see any merit in doing anything else.
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12-18-2014 , 03:57 PM
Pre is good, I probably go slightly bigger but we have position so whatever.

Flop - as long as we don't fold, think either way is fine. I think flatting is ideal as shoving does not really provide any benefits
Flat - We allow him to bluff (even though he basically never has bluffs), We allow him to potentially overvalue a hand. We have position so we do not have to work about not being able to put more $ on turn. Allows him more opportunity to make a mistake
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12-20-2014 , 07:55 PM
against UTG open + callers, my 3bet range is basically QQ+. I would flat pre since AQs plays well multiway IP and I don't to open the betting to UTG who can easily 4bet us and we will be forced to fold.

ap, I call with the intention of GII.
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12-21-2014 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bombonanza
against UTG open + callers, my 3bet range is basically QQ+. I would flat pre since AQs plays well multiway IP and I don't to open the betting to UTG who can easily 4bet us and we will be forced to fold.
Villain made it 2.3bbs. Don't let him get away with that ****.

Our read says that he raises small with speculative hands and large with premiums, so it's unlikely he's going to fire back with a 4b.

Also, why is your range for squeezing in a dream squeeze spot QQ+? Now, there are a lot of players at this stake that I don't like to 3b light regardless of the situation, but without being given a read that this player is one of those, you should really be evaluating that.
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12-21-2014 , 09:58 PM
Rode your right I see raising accomplishes
Nothing after believing contrary

Range for V otf is aq+ qq or jj+
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12-22-2014 , 12:38 PM
I would pause for 5 secs, and reluctantly call. Induce him to bluff again, or valuebet the last 100 perfectly.

There is no need at all to reveal that you actually have an ace in this spot with the stack as it is. he could be donking air just to see what you do. Let him think he could bluff you. Raising shuts all bluffs down.

Let him valuecut himself with AJ if he has it. There is no rush here. Leave all the options up to him and he will most likely take them.
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