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11-21-2022 , 10:24 PM
1/3 game

Hero: younger, stack of $1100, viewed as probably #1 or #2 player at the table.

Villian: mid 30s action player. When I sat down he had a stack of ~$1400, he’s down to $1200 now

We have history. In an earlier hand I straddled and looked down at AQss. Raised and ended up heads up ($150) He checked and I checked a 5, 7, 8 flop hhd . Turn came 2d and he led for $100. I called. River ($250) came 9s. He put me all in for $275 and i eventually called it off. He showed A3dd and i won with AQ.

A few orbits later i doubled up with aces against him when I jammed turn when 2 flush draws became available. Dunno what he had, I think he had top pair on that hand.

He was salty af and an orbit or 2 later started straddling to $40. 45min later and he’s since calmed down a bit as he won 2 decent pots for 300-400 earlier.

Hero is UTG and looks down at JJ. Raises to $15 (standard size for me). UTG +1 calls, HJ calls, Villian on the button raises to $45. Folds to hero who raises to $150. Folds back to V1 who jams all in…. Fuuuuu- I shoulda just taken my flop lol. Hero?

I table talk a bit and he’s dead faced. He’s usually pretty chatty, but I’ve also not seen him jam pre at all. I’ve seen him open raise light…. I’ve seen him pull the trigger on bluffs but uh…. Yea do it call off my whole stack here?

Last edited by DonkFishy; 11-21-2022 at 10:29 PM. Reason: Typo
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11-22-2022 , 12:05 AM
No. You dont. $950? Thats a lot with JJ. Pot of $2200? If his range is AKo JJ+ You have 36% but need 43%. Does he have enough worse to get you to 43%. I wouldnt want to find out.

Dont semibluff a tilting player and call flop instead
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11-22-2022 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
No. You dont. $950? Thats a lot with JJ. Pot of $2200? If his range is AKo JJ+ You have 36% but need 43%. Does he have enough worse to get you to 43%. I wouldnt want to find out.

Dont semibluff a tilting player and call flop instead
My thought with the raise was why would he raise to such a small sizing with other players in the pot with aces or ak etc. He knows how to size appropriately, it felt more like a build a pot raise….
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11-22-2022 , 04:30 AM
I disagree with larry, the 4! is fine to attack the small sizing from LP. Fold now though, you need what? 40 something %? JJ is always a dog in these spots as hands like 99/TT arent taken this way.
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11-22-2022 , 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DonkFishy
My thought with the raise was why would he raise to such a small sizing with other players in the pot with aces or ak etc. He knows how to size appropriately, it felt more like a build a pot raise….
That is a good question and I missed it. How would he be viewing the other two players in the hand?
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11-22-2022 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
That is a good question and I missed it. How would he be viewing the other two players in the hand?
The other two player he would view as tight passive. There was hardly any 3b at this table. I would say only me and him could 3b light and we would usually get folds or easy cbets for profit. He had also said aloud several times if it got limped to him he would raise to $10 as his “limp” so we have a pot worth fighting for. And he’s done that 6-7 times with garbage hands.
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11-23-2022 , 03:38 PM
Didn't bluff raise Ad3d when you raised the straddle.

Even if shoving wide like AQs or KQs you are flipping.

I can even get behind the possibility that, at least sometimes, this is TT and maybe even 99 ... but that's still not enough underpairs.


Also even though the 3bet is small I'm mostly happy to take a flop with JJ/TT here, it plays fine multiway and the callers behind you will stop V just randomly bluffing everything (unless they are terrible).
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11-23-2022 , 03:46 PM
I take his word for it this time.
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11-24-2022 , 03:30 PM
I was really on the fence, but eventually folded face up. He then flipped over the dirty 10, 7 suited and made comments for the next 30 min about how this table is so nitty, people fold jacks pre. Ack…. Oh well at least I made $700 off him before I left.

Happy thanksgiving y’all
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11-24-2022 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkFishy
I was really on the fence, but eventually folded face up. He then flipped over the dirty 10, 7 suited and made comments for the next 30 min about how this table is so nitty, people fold jacks pre. Ack…. Oh well at least I made $700 off him before I left.
Don't do this. Ever. There is no benefit to it that I can see. He probably would have showed his hand either way.

Good job on getting his money anyway though.
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11-24-2022 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by larry the legend
No. You dont. $950? Thats a lot with JJ. Pot of $2200? If his range is AKo JJ+ You have 36% but need 43%. Does he have enough worse to get you to 43%. I wouldnt want to find out.

Dont semibluff a tilting player and call flop instead
How are you finding out how his overall range does against mine? Is that using a tool for some kind or can I do the math in my head?
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11-25-2022 , 10:05 AM
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How are you finding out how his overall range does against mine? Is that using a tool for some kind or can I do the math in my head?
The way I would do this in my head is - 16 combos of AK that I have 55% equity against. 18 combos of QQ-AA that I have 19% against. 18 combos is close enough to 16 that I would just average the equities (and ignore the 1 remaining combo of JJ). The average is 37%, but you can tick it down to 36% since there were more combos of overpairs.
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