Hero (SB) $610 - TAG image

V (BTN) ~$1.5k - playing too loose generally, esp in position raising most HJ/CO/BTN every orbit.

Only 3b pot I have seen was when V raised to 20 in MP/LP and called a $60 3b w/QQ OOP, and c/stuffed flop with top set on a QT7hhx flop scooping vs AA for a 1k+ pot

3 or 4 limpers to V, who raises to $20 on the BTN, I 3b AJ to $75, only V calls.

If I flat this is going 5 way at least - should I consider flatting especially if the limpers are really loose pre/post??

Flop J72 (160)
H 75, V calls

Turn 6 (310)
H 150, V calls

River T (610)
H jams 310

Thoughts on all streets appreciated

Based on your description of villain, it seems pretty good to me. I mightve checked behind on the turn since its a 3 bet pot and you could be in big trouble but I cant blame you for betting either.

Sweet runout. Good line.

May check turn. Don't see any bad free cards hurting us.

Check jamming would for sure help us in future slow him down from taking stabs.

But bet-bet-bet is standard and very well done.

I'm fine with it up until the river. Given H's read on V, I'm having a hard time coming up with hands that H beats which will call a 1/2 pot river bet. H says that V has loose opens IP, but the only data point for V's 3b calling range was QQ. That's not loose by any means. Are we really confident that V is calling 3 streets on a J high board after a 3b with 88, 99 or AK or 6x? TT got there by the river, and we were obviously always behind QQ, KK, AA. We are clearly pot committed by river, but I much like a x/c over a bet since the most obvious draw whiffed and I don't think we really beat much of V's made hands by the river.

Nice hand. Pretty standard b/b/shove here.

I like the 3! pre-flop and I like the bets on each street; good sizings with TPTK , don't need to go huge , set up the half pot river shove , nice

Absolutely no critiques of this line, exactly how I would have played it. Especially good choice to 3-bet preflop.

He has the nuts

otf you have to decide if you're going for 2 streets, in which case bigger flop shove turn
or 3 streets, then 1/3p flop
ap either smaller turn or x
don't blindly 1/2p every street
setting up 1/2p river shoves is not something you want to aim for since your bluffs lose a ton of fe

Doh, I'm an idiot. Completely missed that. Well played OP.

Well played. I raise bigger tho OP like 90 sounds good to me.

Probably bet just like 50 on the flop

Bigger on turn tho like 200

Jam river always

I kinda hate all our preflop options, but I think overall I just flat here. I hate building big pots HU OOP (which can easily be stolen / leave us in no mans land when we whiff, or even worse when we hit and are dominated). Course we know that everyone will likely call behind us (right?) so we're still going to be in a big pot, but at least most people will likely be a little more honest postflop (easier to hand read) plus our hand plays fine multiway and we're cool with keeping in dominated Ax hands and maybe attempting to play a "small" (as possible) pot postflop. We're also risking everything (a big $610 stack) just to win like $30 preflop (no a good risk / reward ratio). But I'm passive like that.

And here's is kinda the problem with preflop even when we hit about as good as we can hit. The SPR is like 3 and the board is slightly drawy. We've got TPTK, so we should consider ourselves committed for stacks. And yet if he gets in his huge $610, how often are we actually good? I lie in the bed I made and commit, either by PSBing the flop to shove the turn, or by check/shoving to induce. Not really liking our smallish bet; I mean, with this SPR we really don't have much play left and we could easily hate a bunch of later cards.

When we leave ourselves with only a 1/2 PSB for the river, we're likely still feeling committed even on some meh runouts (which you could argue has happened here), so I still aim to get this done by the turn. As played the river is a matter of whether we think he's on a busted draw more than a worse made hand and whether he is capable of bluffing a 1/2 PSB on a busted draw. I might lean towards check/calling at this point because unless he's horrible he mostly just has better if he's calling a bet in a 3bet/barrel/barrel/barrel pot, no?

ETA: Lol, didn't realize we runner runnered the nuts. Jamming is fine (way to get there, imo).

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I like the 3b pre a lot and i like betting 3 streets.

OK thanks, apparently he tank folded QQ
Curious to what you guys would do on brick rivers, still shoving or x/c

Bet-bet-bet is optimal, sizing is ok too.
On the river you should ship, missed draws are only ~ 20-25% of his range, and nearly half of it has some sd value, while tp/overpair is 40%, and given the odds on the river, is much more likely BU will call with TP GK, rather then go for thin value vs check, or shove non sd value.
Seeing the laggy guy folding queens is very surprising, he must see you as a total nit to do that. Did he showed his hand? If he did indeed, I'd target this opponent for 3st bluff more often(if deep enough), and bet river much more polarized then I'd usually do vs field.
On a brick river it's a check vs reg(even with no info of him making a big lay downs). Check-fold more often, check-call if you think your opponent bluffs non-sd often, and/or is capable to turn weak sd into bluff.
River can valuebet only vs sticky reg, or vs a reg who like to fast play he's nutted hands.