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1/3: AA with NFredraw on flush completing turn, always check behind? 1/3: AA with NFredraw on flush completing turn, always check behind?
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03-02-2015 , 02:04 AM
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1/3, 300 eff

UTG (fish, bit tilted, going blind 15 utg a lot too) raises to 10 pre
Hero raises to 30 in mp with A A
UTG calls

Flop (60): T 9 3
UTG checks, Hero bets 50, UTG calls

Turn (160): 2
UTG checks, Hero ?

UTG's range is Tx or god knows, maybe spades (he plays ALL kinds of suited cards)... We hate to bet fold here so we check, is it a bet? What if we didn't have the A?
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03-02-2015 , 02:58 AM
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$100 and call it off.

Probably still calling w/o As given villain description.
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03-02-2015 , 03:13 AM
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So is there a spot where you'll check back this turn HU ip?
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03-02-2015 , 03:14 AM
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I forgot to add that Hero has a TIGHT image, so when we bet $100 OTT, V and most other V's are folding their Tx and only continuing with better. So isn't it better to take a b/c/b line on bad turns like these?
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03-02-2015 , 03:26 AM
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I'm betting $120. Villains with two pair or a set often raise the flop with the draws out there after your $50 bet because the pot is a decent size and they want to make sure they don't get sucked out on.
And even if you're behind and get raised, the pot will be really big and you'll have outs. You're in a lousy spot if you check and villain shoves the river (unless your hand improves).

Villain could have one pair and straight draws and could also be tempted to call if he has a spade in his hand also.

Checking also gives villain a free card which could beat us.
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03-02-2015 , 03:37 AM
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What if we didn't have the A?
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03-02-2015 , 04:08 AM
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A tilted fish will bet a flush almost always, not even a tilting fish, most bad players at these levels will let you know when they have a flush so I think you're good here.
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03-02-2015 , 04:12 AM
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What if we didn't have the A?
I'd bet smaller ($80-$100) and fold to a raise. That's how we should normally play fish. Just keep betting for value and fold to their raises. Also betting sets up a shove on the river if villain calls the turn.
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03-02-2015 , 04:29 AM
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What I would choose to do in this spot depends on what I expect my opponent to do on the river.
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03-02-2015 , 04:32 AM
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I'd bet smaller ($80-$100) and fold to a raise. That's how we should normally play fish. Just keep betting for value and fold to their raises. Also betting sets up a shove on the river if villain calls the turn.
What if V c/c turn and shoves river?
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03-02-2015 , 05:06 AM
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What if V c/c turn and shoves river?
The river card makes a big difference in that situation. But I'd probably fold.

The description of villain doesn't tell us much though. I'm assuming villain isn't likely to make big bluffs on the later betting rounds because most fish rarely do that.
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03-02-2015 , 09:21 AM
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Check to induce a river bluff. Value bet the river yourself if he checks again.
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03-02-2015 , 05:02 PM
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PF: Fine, although I may have raised a bit more, say to $40 (sets up a tad better SPR).

F: Heads up. Pot is $64. SPR is 4.4. Against, what sounds like a villain with maniac tendencies, I'm totally fine stacking off here. Bet is fine.

T: Pot is $164. Keep betting. It's less likely they are on a flush draw becasue you have the Ace of Spades. I'd bet something that a T would call, say $80 with the intention of value betting the river. Yeah, $80 pretty much commits us, but again, I'm fine getting it in here. And if he shoves, I call, and if I'm behind I have the As.
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03-03-2015 , 01:39 PM
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I would have raised to ~$50 preflop.

This is an uber-drawy board, and our SPR is ~4.5, so I would have PSB+ the flop to setup a shove on the turn.

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03-03-2015 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 6betfold

UTG's range is Tx or god knows, maybe spades (he plays ALL kinds of suited cards)... We hate to bet fold here so we check, is it a bet? What if we didn't have the A?
I think 2 pair and non-nut Flushs are betting here for Value and both hands hate to give a free card to the 4-Flush.

Because we have the A we can assume V is going to bet a made Flush for value and protection, so yes the A narrows V's range a little.

Bet Turn.
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