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1/3: AA with a lot of talk 1/3: AA with a lot of talk

06-04-2011 , 11:54 PM
about the 10th hand at this table so not profiled people yet, but V1 seems like a standard middle aged woman - pretty straightforward.

V2 talkative, but not sure about his game at this point, but he's not afraid to bet.

V1 open limps 3, (she might have raised to 6)

V2 on button raises to 13

SB goes all in for like 27

I have AA and make it 52 from the BB, V1 and V2 call

sidepot 75, main pot 108

Flop 6 8 5

I have 180 behind, V1 and V2 have me covered.


on me and as I am deciding, V2 says something like "I will go all in for 275 if that makes it easier for you"

what to do?

Last edited by jokash; 06-05-2011 at 12:15 AM. Reason: getting main pot right
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06-05-2011 , 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by jokash
V1 seems like a standard middle aged woman - pretty straightforward.
Completely illogical?

3bet bigger pre or flat. 3bet to ~75.

Go ahead and jam. If not, bet ~60 and jam safe turns.
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06-05-2011 , 12:10 AM
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Originally Posted by kowboykiller
Completely illogical?

3bet bigger pre or flat. 3bet to ~75.

Go ahead and jam. If not, bet ~60 and jam safe turns.
I think there's way too many unsafe turns for this. We're not really getting any extra value from 60 that we don't get from jamming; nor are we saving anything. Easy jam IMO.
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06-05-2011 , 12:10 AM
bummer that you're looking at such a super wet board...

You're getting about 1:1 on your money if you shove...

Looks like you already committed close to 25% of your stack

As a side note, I don't give a lot of attention to V2 comments.

I'm someone who is willing to lay down AA post flop is the circumstances dictate, but in this case, I don't just lay down AA because someone makes those kind of comments, or because of the board. The question then becomes how do I proceed...

Some options include: Check, continuation bet, all in shove

Check - I don't like the idea of giving free cards

Standard continuation bet - If I do a 1/2 pot continuation bet I put in 80 and have a hundred left behind. And I'm putting someone in a place where they need to make an 80 dollar call to win a 230 pot, about 3-1 call. Someone with a draw is probably going to call.

if I do a 2/3 continuation bet I leave too little behind, I think if I bet, I go all in.

These are things I would think about.
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06-05-2011 , 12:13 AM
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Originally Posted by canoodles
I think there's way too many unsafe turns for this. We're not really getting any extra value from 60 that we don't get from jamming; nor are we saving anything. Easy jam IMO.
I agree, there are to many turns I don't like and betting $60 is pricing in most of the draws.
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06-05-2011 , 12:24 AM
Music to your ears, who's going to make that statement that really wants to see a big bet here, I would shove, you really don't have enough behind for anything else.
I hate your initial PFR, I would recommend 80-90range.
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06-05-2011 , 12:28 AM
Agreed, shove. Also, 3bet bigger.
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06-05-2011 , 12:35 AM
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
I hate your initial PFR, I would recommend 80-90range.
I agree it could have been higher. When he raised to $52, he created a $95 pot.

villian 1 had to call $49 to win $95. Not sure what cards they had, or exact stack size so difficult to know if implied odds where running through their had but...

Once villian 1 called the pot is now $144 and...

Villian 2 had to call $39 to win $144... here is where Villian 2 may be starting to get odds depending on the type of hand they had...

So yeah, in retrospect, a bigger raise may worked better, or if villian 1 folded, Villian two is less odds to call
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06-05-2011 , 12:43 AM
I was thinking I wouldn't mind getting heads up with V2, and kind of assuming a 52 bet facing V1 would have knocked her out
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06-05-2011 , 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jokash
I was thinking I wouldn't mind getting heads up with V2, and kind of assuming a 52 bet facing V1 would have knocked her out
You have to think ahead w/ your sizing. You want to size it to jam otf.
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06-05-2011 , 08:06 AM
Jam now. And yes the min-ish raise pf was not great, rather do like 70-80.
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06-05-2011 , 09:40 AM
pf is fine, it's big enough to deny anyone odds and we want action with the best hand. as it is we have a pot-sized bet on the flop; easy shove and i don't pay too much attention to the talk.
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06-05-2011 , 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by JKratzer
pf is fine, it's big enough to deny anyone odds and we want action with the best hand. as it is we have a pot-sized bet on the flop; easy shove and i don't pay too much attention to the talk.
You think someone who calls 4x isn't going to call 5.5x?
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