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1/3 A9o on button, straddle pot 1/3 A9o on button, straddle pot

10-17-2019 , 07:27 PM
line check please

h is 42 weekend warrior wg, very small winner

mp limper is older wg who has limp folded a couple times already

sb competent seeming iranian 30 something

straddler 30ish wg no real reads

~300 effective

otth:

pre: folds to mp, mp call 6, fold to h, h raise to 25, sb calls, straddler calls, mp folds

f (84): 5x 8x Ts (rainbow) - x x x

t (84): Js - sb bet 30, straddle call 30, h call 30

r (174): Kx (flush missed), sb bet 60, fold fold

button raise should be bigger?

stab flop? flop seems to favor callers rather than raisers although my button raise has all the nutty hands here too

are we deep enough to raise turn as a semi bluff? is it a good idea? sizing? thank you
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10-18-2019 , 03:54 PM
Fold pre

Fold turn
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10-18-2019 , 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by YasielPuig
Fold pre

Fold turn

Thanks for response.

Very surprised to hear A9 is a fold on the button with a single limper in the pot. I guess your raising standards here favor suitedness / connectedness more than high card value? Is this because we are artificially shallow due to the straddle? Is it a raise in a non-straddled pot?
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10-18-2019 , 04:18 PM
Ship the river.

You have the nut blocker hand. You block 97/Q9/AQ. If you aren't bluffing here you effectively have zero bluffing frequency.

Size up preflop - remember in a straddle pot you only have effectively 50 Big blinds at $300 since it goes 1/3/6.
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10-18-2019 , 05:25 PM
a9 is for sure an open otb. I open every ace otb, limper doesn't change anything, and it's better shallower, but it doesn't really matter. Unless you're the worst player ever postflop or the limper only limps aces, it's a 100% open.

I like the flop check, three way with some degree of sdv. I think a bet here would be ok too, but then you're probably c betting too much.

Turn you should never fold, obvi. Getting great direct odds with the third pot bet, and being ip. The question is raise or call. My question is, what value hands are you playing this way? I guess 10 10 and kk are reasonable, although most of the time I'm betting kk otf. I think I like a call better here with your direct odds to the straight.

River, v's sizing seems pretty weak. At live low stakes I think this sizing is pretty unbalanced, going third pot third pot. Still, I think fold is fine. Well played imo
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10-21-2019 , 07:37 AM
I think you needed to raise more PF. Make it at least $30, maybe even $35.

AP checking flop is correct, calling turn is correct.

Raising river is a great idea, as DooDooPoker suggested. You have to bluff, and this is a good place to do it. SB seems scared with that $60 bet, you block nut hands, and can rep a lot of stuff. You are probably against Jx, and you are the most likely person to have a King in his range, given you were the PF raiser.
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10-21-2019 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by svindaloo
a9 is for sure an open otb. I open every ace otb, limper doesn't change anything, and it's better shallower, but it doesn't really matter. Unless you're the worst player ever postflop or the limper only limps aces, it's a 100% open.
It's not an open; with a limper already in the pot, it's an isolation raise.

Button opens are made with the substantial hope of taking down the blinds then and there. Accordingly, there are or ought to be bluffs in our range.

Do not forget that this is a straddle pot, so even without a limper, our raise has to get through three players, not two, so that using our default button opening range is too wide. I would default to my cutoff opening range.

With a limper in the pot, there is yet another player for a steal to get through, and that player has a range that although capped is not random; it has a bottom as well as a top, and is presumably playable.

Our isolation range from the button in a three-blind pot should be dramatically tighter than our opening range from the button in a two-blind pot.

Last edited by AlanBostick; 10-21-2019 at 12:35 PM. Reason: forgot the straddle
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10-21-2019 , 12:38 PM
Don't bluff the river. This is 1-3, and the besetting sin of low-stakes players is calling too much.

I wouldn't have played this hand, but if I did, I would have raised to $45 or $50.
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10-21-2019 , 01:51 PM
I raise btn with A9 here most of the time. As said, they call too much and we have equity advantage vs random limp callers and the blinds, but there is some player specific considerations like whether or not they're going to 3bet a lot. Just saying always fold pre with A9 on btn is super nitty imo. I wouldn't cbet this flop most of the time, but at some tables its prob fine if you havent been very active/cbetting too much. You have just over pot sized bet to jam river with, which prob isnt horrible in a 1/3 game (needs to work a little over half of the time), but I prob just fold. You're line doesnt get us there - do you raise pre with 79 or Q9, do you flat turn with 79 q9 and a bdfd coming in, whixh leaves us well over pot size stack on river? Of course, if you do get to this spot with 79,Q9 on river, it's a shove so there's that. Also you shouldnt have any sets reall either. Is KJ shipping river? I dont take SBs line with any hand I can think of, but I'd be calling off your shove with a big chunk of hands I'm value betting on river.
I dont see what suit your A is, but if it's a spade, I would say def dont ship river. 9 really isnt all that great card to have either. I get it blocks the nuts, but it unblocks a lot of draw hands that he may have been barreling with, and in terms of blocking the nuts, is a "competent" player calling with 79 or Q9? JTs makes more sense than either of those hand.
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10-21-2019 , 01:54 PM
PS, you should really include your hand with suits I'm OP
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10-21-2019 , 03:05 PM
Should definitely be raising a9o Otb vs a limp fold player, 10x boards are pretty much the worst to bet at by 2 calls oop. Think you can stab for 25 x back turn and bet the king river for like half pot if u get 1 caller.
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10-22-2019 , 11:52 AM
I don't hate the preflop steal attempt, but in the end I'm not convinced it's worth the effort due to how sideways this can go when it fails (and in my games things just too often go sideways). So I just fold preflop. But I'm super low variance / healthy mental game like that.

I think I would typically cbet the flop very small 3way here, like 1/3 PSB. We can definitely get better Ax to fold and sometimes setminers with their underpair. This may also give us double barrel versus free card options on the turn.

Even though we're gettting decent odds and in position on the turn and closing the action, it's still a meh spot. Our IO are terrible on a 4-to-a-straight and our RIO against better straights / dirty flush outs are poor. But in position I don't hate a sigh call here and hopefully we can figure things out for the river (including possibly repping the flush if it gets there and no one bets).

I'm also just giving up on the river.

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