Hi guys first time posting here! Just looking for any feed back on this hand I got into a few nights back.

(H) $450 effective 2h 2c

2 limpers to the button $370is (v) who makes it $12. I call along with BB and mid position.

No real reads have played with him a few times late 20's Asian, semi reg definitely a "thinking player".

Side note $12 is quite a low raise on these tables standard opening is $15-$20.

Flop Qc 10h 7s
Checks around to button who checks behind.

Turn 2d
Again checks around to button who makes it $25. I check raise to $60 and folds back to him, who after tanking re raises to $125 I then 4 bet and put him all in he calls.

River Qs

Will post spoiler and thought processes later any and all feedback would be great, thanks in advance.

Welcome.

I would lead the turn. You will gain value from a ton of draws and weak pairs will call but not bet themselves.

As played, I GII here. The flop is too straight draw heavy for a set to check through. Only the SB would here hoping to check raise maybe.

Good luck.

Lead the turn yourself. As played, I like the 4-bet shove.

It is a weird spot. The 3-bet probably took you by surprise.

I guess it comes down to this logic: I really don't expect V to check the flop behind 4-way with the types of decently strong made hands that might now 3-bet for value. It is an extremely polarizing line, of course, and he usually won't have any one-pair hands.

I do think it's possible he would check the flop behind with draws like KJ, AJ, AK, 98, J9s, J8s, K9s. There really are a lot of draws out there, and the only monsters are QQ, TT, 77 - just 9 combos of hands. The possible draws are dozens of combos, though you would discount the gut shots.

From a higher-level view, V's line seems like a bad line for extracting value (check back flop, bet/3-bet turn on a blank?) and looks more like he wants folds than calls.

On a different board, a dry one where top set is always "way ahead," like J73r, and say the turn was a 2 completing the rainbow, you might actually fold to the 3-bet because there are so few draws in V's range on that board, and JJ could (and often should) check back the flop.

Anyhow, I'd go with those reads, so I like your 4-bet shove.

If we were going to lay down a pocket pair in a raised pot it surely would be pocket 2s.

And 3s and 4s and 5s probably.

And yes, we would get up grumbling inside and take a walk if our set comes.

But in the long run between (mostly) saving the raise amount when we whiff the flop and (now and then) avoiding many set-over-set confrontations when our set is probably the under-set, we ought to be content.

(You don't think in my last session, making the small set and shipping a $400 stack only to see my Villain turn the over-set has anything to do with this observation?)

But as played, we gotta 4-bet-shove when we get there, otherwise why did we call in the first place?

looks like set over set to me, or after the river, boat over boat. He's checking the flop to try and slow play since there are no flush draws on the board and he's likely discounting anyone being on a straightdraw. If he's on Q,10 he has to bet that flop

Villians line to me suggests he has a monster here. Usually the flop check followed by a min turn 3 bet suggests he has QTs TT or 77. I think hands like AA, KK, and AQ will almost always warrant a flop bet from a typical 1/2 player for value/protection. As played we are getting it in here but this isn't a spot I like to be in with 22 given villian's awkward line. Btw that river sucks cause QT got there.

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I also call preflop. We'll be OOP, but it's for a small percentage of our stack (3%) and I'm just hoping this encourages a multiway pot where we have lots of potential opponents to stack if we hit (and a multiway pot should be expected given this fairly small raise size).

Also check/folding the flop.

I would donk the turn. Lets just hope one of the other flop check-to-the-raiser's have hit a hand worth continuing with. As played, I would also check/raise to make sure we get more money in the pot.

Facing the reraise from a thinking player is scary. His flop play is really bad if he flopped a set (imo), but sometimes people do get tricky like that. The bottom line is that he's been check/raised on the turn and now decides he probably wants to play for stacks. Is he really going nuts like this with AA/KK/Qx/etc. just cuz he underrepped them on the flop? Facing a turn check/raise, especially in position where he can just call an re-evaluate the river, probably not. This is actually a fairly gross spot. Against some players, I *think* I could manage some sorta ridiculous hero fold here.

The rest of the hand is irrelevant. The only important thing to take note is what he shows up with here (i.e. is he getting in huge money with just a TP hand, or does it take a nuttish hand to get in big money).

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I don't think it is as simple as that. Yes, our initial plan is to stack off if we flop a set. But sometimes the postflop action, board runout, players involved, etc. will give us enough information where we have to consider the alternative.

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Really appreciate the feedback guys!

SPOILER: The more i think about the hand the more I narrow villans range and know that when I 4 bet shove the turn I'M ONLY getting called by a better hand. the fact he checked the flop means we can remove AA/KK completely. so when facing the turn 3 bet we should sense trouble flat call and reevaluate on the river (these were my thoughts).

Villan turned over QQ and riverd quads. Also I was small blind if that wasn't at all clear.

We can never fully remove a combination, Villains do strange things sometimes. What makes the turn so tough is that it's *still* possible that the Villain thinks he is tarping us with AA/KK/AQ/etc. thanks to checking back the flop.

However, there is one thing we should keep in mind. A lot of sane opponents can often play early streets (preflop / flop) a little loosey goosey, in that they'll sometimes raise junk hands or do tricky things on the flop, but all of this is for relatively small money. However, on the big streets, a lot of sane opponents won't put in huge money / stacks unless they think they have a huge hand. Against these opponents, we have to give a lot more weight to their turn/river actions than their preflop/flop actions. The question is whether this guy is an idiot or not.

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