Since thread has gone 0.66 troll, and I am 0.66 drunk... (and on vacation, lol slim)

I literally pull a quarter from my pocket, say "heads I shove, tails I call" and flip.

$150

So, I think you've likely noticed some other members' responses to this. I won't pile on too much, but I will note that if it were aimed at someone other than me, I'd delete and infract, based on this portion of the sticky ZuneIt quoted:
I have pretty thick skin, and I think others have already made the point enough, so I'll just ask you how you would make this post more like the later examples and less like the earlier.

Do you think I am a fish for raising to $25? If so, why is that bad and what would you do instead?

Do you think I'm a fish for posting this spot? If so, do you really see spots like this often enough that you think they are trivial? If so, what have you seen in them?

If you're going to stick here, you need to participate in discussions, not just laugh at them.

Does this rule apply to the LC thread?

explain please.
and also identify these factors plz.

It might make sense to Garlick but probably not to us. The ranging exercises don't work if you can't interpret the bet sensibly. For example last night I though the min 3-bet removed small pairs from his pf range, but now I don't think that's necessarily true with this villain.


It's not the only reason. You have a lot of 2 overcard carp hands from villain and the schlepps that may feel they're in too deep with KJ. Allowing those hands to flip with you over 5 cards let's them off the hook.


If you thought correctly and the EV difference was significant enough to be noticed over time then yes it is a leak.

Had a huge multi quote selected to respond to some of the most interesting snippets ITT, but DMW just hit most of them.

Glad to see this hand get so much response. The line was soo strange that I don't have a lot of similar hands to fall back on.

Obv never folding here, ldo. Not that interested in calling either, as every shortie will be pot committed if they hit anything, yet not have much behind to pay us off on if we hit a set. Plus V will have intiative to bet us off if everyone misses. IMO, calling was +EV, but not hugely so.

What I struggled with was raise to $150, which likely folds out everyone but V1, and maybe very occasionally V2, or shoving and collecting dead mobnies.

V1's range seems to be small PPs and A8-AJ (maybe AQo) type hands. He's aggro enough that he raises everything better Pre the first time, even if his sizing sucks, almost always. My biggest question is which of a near PSB or and overbet shove makes him make the most mistakes with those parts of his range.

Results:

It's like you've never heard of flop lag.

Poker is obv dead, take up golf.

Nit.

and well played G.

For those interested in V1's holding with this odd line:

He was raising to see where he was at ldo.

Pretty easy 4bet raise big-shove unless this guys is some nit who plays big pears like this. With that said it's easier to say 4b than it is to actually do it. In real time all sorts of crap goes through out head. Adrenaline pumping makes it hard to do. Nice decision making, Garick. If he did this with AA good for him. Personally knowing you I don't think anyone limps in LP assuming you are going to raise. You don't have that kind of image. Just remember that in the future.

This made me think of the time ~10 years ago when Mickelson said Tiger Woods is the only player in the world good enough to play with the clubs he's stuck with. And then claimed it was a compliment.

Am I correct to assume that the eff. stack of the min raising v. had the most to do with your decision to shove? If the both of you were $500-$600 deep, does that change your mind to a 4 bet?

Bumping to show the problem with trying to range the villain as though his play made sense to you. This villain does not think the way we do so his cards aren't what you would expect.

You golf too?! I think it was definitely not a compliment......about the clubs.. However, I do believe he was truly complimenting Tiger.

Phil also said he was thrilled that Tiger came onto the scene.....if he hadn't, he would have been making a helluva' lot less money as #1 in the world, than he was making as #2 behind Tiger.

Concerning the hand: Sounds like an all-in by Garick carries it weight in Osmium or Iridium..........whichever metal is your favorite.

Scooping a $175 pot ($150 being other people's money) w 99 and no flop? Sweet. Well played.

Exactly the way I felt at the conclusion of the hand.

This is a GREAT result. 50 BBs won with no showdown with a medium-strength hand. Very well-played.

I wouldn't be surprised if Garick - based on image - could get 10s and Js to fold as well in this spot.

I think you might have the two V's confused. The V who min raised was the one I had position on and who covered by a lot (I think he had about $1K or 1200 at the start of this hand)

The V I covered (and who was worse/spazzier than the main V) was the one who cold-called my raise from the SB. It was this V in particular who made me want to go bigger, because if he colded again, it could set off a chain. I think that would have been a profitable outcome, but very high variance.

If V2 had folded to the 4-bet, I think I likely would have gone HU against V1 in a super-bloated pot with a bit less than a PSB behind, and not much idea of what V1's range was. Thus I would basically have to shove (or call a shove) on all flops, as he definitely would be aggro enough to bet his small PPs on aceless flops because he "put me on AK," and/or to rep the ace on A-high flops. He could also v-bet his Ax hands and/or sometimes fold his PPs on an a-high flop.

Because his range was so wide and because he took really weird lines, I really couldn't estimate the EV of getting more of his money into the pot pre but having a very high variance situation post, so I couldn't decide if it was better than shoving pre. If I'd been just 50BBs deeper, though, I'm pretty sure it would have been a better play. Conversely, if I'd been 50BBs shallower, I think the shove becomes super obvious.

Nice hand.

Ps.: Humble brag to my dead on ranging.

Nice thread, late to party.

But I can't see doing anything (set mining is plus Ev), other than shipping.

Even against a calling range of QQ+ and AK. We have 35% equity. Our fold equity is off the charts.

Don't care how bad the player is. I can't see anyone min raising this pot with AA or KK. This looks alot like what it was 66-jj button clicking. If he had big pair, even idiots get scared in multi-way pots.

Well played Garick. I think our fold equity vs said villain is as high as 95%. Given I put AA and KK in his range almost never. With 6-7 limpers. There had to be blockers to AA in there also. With a clean image. I would expect to get folds from 10-JJ almost always.

To have 95% fold equity, wouldn't you need a scenario like villain folding 100% of the time, forfeiting 95% equity in the pot when he folds?

He would have raised monsters like aa pre. He has jq suited or 44 type hands. 4-bet all in. Goood among of dead money out there.