this.

Am I the only one here who would raise pre? Depending on how limpy/cally the table is I am almost always raising here. If they're a bunch of stations pre then maybe not but as much as I love flopping sets, things can get scary 5 way on a dirty flop.

As played I like keeping your customer with the flop raise. OTT I'm probably raising more, content to take it down right there. Def gii otr if he calls. I'm more than satisfied to win OTT with a bigger raise but that's just my style (leak?)

we managed to get the pot to $465 after limping in preflop, and could have gotten it higher. if players will limp / stack-off to us, why wouldn't we set mine? its a gift from heaven, we get the minimum in when we are flipping, and then pour money in as a huge favorite

you should never be that happy when your customers fold and you have a huge hand and more streets to play

Don't raise if there is no fold equity both post and pre,small pp's don't flip well in general.Id raise the turn to $150ish and shove all rivers,Villains range looks more like aces up then what he actually showed up with and I want him to be married to the pot in case he doesn't like the river.

+1 to both of these, imo

Lots of people will argue the first point, and that's fair enough.

But I doubt anyone will argue the happy-to-take-it-down-on-the-turn, this is really bad thinking when we have a monster.

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vs this guy i probably flat the turn to keep his bluffs and weaker hands in. if he is c/r the turn, i think its likely that he leads the river, in which case we will wager the remainder of our chips.

this is a great card for us! possibly the best in the deck. we have the board crushed here. the ace doesn't complete any draws, but it does one of two things:

#1: it gives him something to bluff / represent
#2: if he does have the ace or now 2p, he is going to go wild with it and you will double thru him.

"Awful, calling station whales" usually aren't c/r the turn as bluff or with mediocre value hands. It certainly looks like aces-up.

Consequently, how often is he folding the turn if we reraise AI?

He may call an All In on the turn, but there are almost no bad river cards for us, and 0 we aren't shoving on, so why risk villain folding?

Small raise on turn, shove river seems better. Not sure why OP did that on turn, but didn't shove river though.

Arriving late to this thread, but a couple thoughts to add:

OP, what hands in his range do you think fold for $120 but call for $90? Sure, results-wise he showed up with a very weak hand here. But if he's willing to call $30 more with MPWK, I don't see why he wouldn't call $60 more with it.

Note that $60 is a magic number there, because you're just doubling his bet. Yes, it isn't a min-raise. But it looks like a min-raise.

If you'd made it $120 on the turn, you've now set up a pretty easy stack-off situation on the river.

Calling turn is pretty bad here, because (1) there are very few pure bluffs in his range and (2) it's going to make it hard to get stacks in on the river without putting in a large raise or making a large overbet. Also, sometimes he's going to have A2, an 8 or 6 will come on the river, and he'll check-fold his hand face up in disgust at his terrible luck.

I wouldn't bomb-raise the turn, because we don't have to bomb the turn in order to easily stack off on the river. (If we were $800 deep, then I'd bomb the turn.)

It's so weird that you think the A is an awful card. It's probably the best card in the deck as agnostia says. If the A is bad, what card did you want ott?

Case 6 obviously.

I consider it an awful card because if V has 8x or some slowplayed overpair, it's going to kill all the action. Infact, I consider any overcard to the board pretty bad here which are plenty obv.

Here's an example..

I ran into this situation today where I overlimped 66 in CO, fish makes it $15 on BTN with $180 eff. I call. Flop comes 762r, I check/raise his $20 bet to $45, he calls, Turn is your lovely A, I puke but bet $55, he calls unwillingly, River is 2, I bet $75, he tank-folds an overpair (KK-TT probably) saying that I must have an ace and he made a mistake by not shoving over my c/r on the flop.

Not attempting to get stacks in here is a disaster

The two hands you posted are pretty different 6bet.

Sure Ace is not just always a good turn card on that type of board but in the first hand it's a much better turn card than in the 2nd hand.