Hi all,

Just played a Tuesday morning session at 10:30 AM. Wanted to see what the games were like in Cleveland that early. Anyone play morning sessions regularly? how are they?

Anyways OTTH:
H: 23 yr old white guy hasn't played a hand but has only seen 1 orbit. Dressed in a hoodie.
V: Has a hoodie and headphones in looks foreign only hand I saw was him limp 49suited utg.
Effective stacks are 210 and it is 1/3nl. Hero raises to 12 UTG+1 with 55, UTG+2, and UTG+3 call, V is in the BB and calls reluctantly. Flop is 4 5 9 rainbow BB leads 6, I raise to 22 two other players fold BB calls. Turn is a J BB checks i bet 35 ( way too small I know) he raises to 100! i have around 130 ish behind and I ship it. What hands do you think V could have? I'm obviously never folding here to this bet.

I probably dump 55 pre in EP with effective stacks at ~70BB. The IO just isn't there to recover your weak card strength and position.

Raise more on the flop. You can play for three streets of value to get stacks in. More on the turn. Shove after his raise. He's never raise-folding and you can get value from worse. He has sets, overpairs, and two pair in his range. You're ahead of the vast majority. Cooler if he shows up with JJ/99.

I would just limp preflop. I'm trying to encourage a multiway limp fest with this hand, where if it limps around ~6ways the SPR will be ~12 in a very multiway pot and it will be fairly trivial to play for stacks postflop (in terms of bet sizing) if we hit. And with this hand OOP multiway we're basically going to have to hit to win, so no need to make it more expensive for ourselves and obliterate our implied odds with a raise. IMO.

Fairly drawless board (other than the straight draws). With an SPR of ~4 we could go for two PSBs to get things in by the turn; I actually don't mind this method as it gets max value for those calling the flop once and giving up on the turn. Otherwise, on this board I'm cool with 3 postflop bets to get in stacks. I'd treat the lol donk of $6 into $48 as a check and just go with whatever plan I had (looks like we're taking the 3 small bets route).

Unless we're trying to induce (which typically isn't a good idea since most games are passive), our turn bet is too small (only a 1/3 PSB) as it leaves a too big of a bet for the river. I'd be betting just over 1/2 PSB. I would also ship to the raise.

As for his hands, who knows. Junky two pairs are probably most likely given the description, but against morons we could easily see overpairs/sets and against aggrotards we could see air/draws.

GcluelessrangingnoobG

With morons at the table, there is no way I'm not attempting to see a flop with small pocket pairs getting massive 70:1+ implied odds; heck, even in this raised pot we got immediate odds of 3:1, whereas in a limped pot we can actually get our required odds to setmine almost preflop. My guess is that these smaller stack sizes are actually more optimal to play against than much bigger ones, due to people committing with them easily, whereas with much bigger stacks people will be a lot more afraid to commit them (and we start running into RIO issues when they do).

GcluelessIOnoobG

I agree limp is fine if hero rarely expects someone to open behind. The problem is if someone opens for more that $12, hero barely gets the 15:1 IO to bink a set. Hero needs to stack villains at a very high rate to recoup the losses from limp-call/fold. It's close between a limp or fold, imo

If the table is loose, it'll typically go multiway. So if it goes 4ways preflop (say like this one does), which ain't great, even then we're already getting immediate odds of 3:1 and only have to make up 5:1 postflop (a ~PSB getting called in 2 spots or 2 streets worth of betting, so making up ~$75 in a $60 pot with $200 stacks), which seems doable.

Admittedly, at tougher (no payoff stations), aggro (most preflops getting raised) and tighter (few multiway flops), dumping this in EP would probably be fine. Course, should probably have already table changed by then.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Random suited 2p, J9, sp OPs, sets, a few SD spazzes/a few 1 pair spazzes.

At a minimum 44, 99, JJ, J9s, 54s, 76s, and a few combos of overpairs.

Never folding here.
If we had 44, we could even consider it (but then it's still a stack off given stack sizes).

There is no point in trying to range V in this spot. All of your chips are going to go in the middle, and if he has you beat then so be it.

I would also limp pre. Small PPs are the only hands that I open limp with.

Limp pre if you expect to see a flop for a reasonable price. Who cares what v has, just rip it in. GG if he had 99.

Not going to complain about the open. You should know why you can raise it and why you can not.

On to the hand. More everywhere. Too small. And obvious getting it in.