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08-22-2020 , 08:07 PM

texasranger47

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Playing 1/3. Hero is in the bb with $390 effective. The utg straddle is on to $6

The cutoff opens the action to $20, the button calls, the small blind raises to $65. I have AK♦️ flat call. The cut off and button both call.

Flop comes 8♠️8♣️Q♦️

I check, cut off bets $200. It folds around to me.

Hero...?

Would appreciate any comments on pre-flop line and the best flop decision. Thanks!

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08-22-2020 , 08:18 PM

QuadJ

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I'm OK with the way you played this given the limited information. The raise out of the small blind is usually strong and your only raise is too shove. You stack is enough that shoving is too risky but folding likely to weak.

Preflop really needs more information about opponents. Against a sufficiently laggy SB shoving might be best. If SB is tight enough folding from the BB might be best. Cutoff and button will also play into this to a lesser degree.

As played flop is an easy fold. With 4 opponents somebody likely has QX or a good pair and you didn't catch any part of this flop. Villain needs to have a lot of air before folding isn't your best option.

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08-23-2020 , 09:20 AM

Garick

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Reads are vital here to PF action. We must know more about SB and about the table's likely image of you, and it would be nice to know more about CO and BTN as well.

Generally speaking, I 3-bet PF, as I don't want to play AKs 4-way OOP, which is what I expect to do if I flat. If SB is very nitty and CO and BTN are LP, I don't mind the flat, but that's pretty much the only V combo in which I'd do so. I disagree that shoving is our only 4-bet size, as any 4-bet bigger will likely get BTN out, and most of CO's range, though obv we are shoving almost all flops if we 4-bet without shoving.

Yeah, flop is an LDO fold.

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08-23-2020 , 01:06 PM

browni3141

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Slam dunk shove pre. Not much to discuss IMO.

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08-23-2020 , 02:43 PM

BHDonkey

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I would ship it here, or fold...and I'm only folding if I don't feel like gambling or the opponents are super nitty and predictable.

As played, it's an auto muck on the flop unless you feel spewy.

Playing AK OOP in a raised pot is really tricky, and my guess, not profitable for me in my lifetime.

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08-23-2020 , 05:55 PM

johnnyBuz

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EZ 4b ship pre.

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08-24-2020 , 11:54 AM

gobbledygeek

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I think preflop is a shove versus fold spot. We shouldn't be flatting for a hugenormous 17% of our stack just looking to see a flop in a lol SPR ~1ish pot. So it's all about reads. How loose is CO opening and Button calling? How aware of this is SB and how often is he 3betting lightish? With no reads, in general I'd lean to a fold here; I'd need reads that leaned me to a jam spot.

Don't see how postflop can be anything other than a check/fold.

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08-24-2020 , 12:16 PM

twitcherroo

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You’re 130 BB’s deep (which is not deep at all) not counting the straddle. The action went $6 to $20, call, then $65. I thinking this is a slam dunk shove in their eye spot. I don’t math these spots but I can’t believe shoving here isn’t HUGE +EV. Any FE at all is great with $115 dead in the pot already and AKs has enormous hand equity but usually Needs all 5 board cards to deliver. So guarantee yourself all 5 cards. Easy game.

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08-24-2020 , 12:18 PM

twitcherroo

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

Interested in your ‘probably fold pre’ comment. Very simply - do you think shoving here is -EV?

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08-24-2020 , 12:21 PM

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gobbledygeek

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It's all about reads for me. Against a tight face up opener and a tight face up 3better, yeah, I think it's a pretty trivial fold a lot of the time. There's a lotta opponents I play with where I wouldn't even think twice about making the fold here. And then there's a bunch where I'm licking my lips and shoving it in their eye.

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08-24-2020 , 03:48 PM

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twitcherroo

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

I’d say calling the flop better is a better decision than folding pre......

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08-24-2020 , 10:10 PM

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jdr0317

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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek

For once I mostly agree with you.

Standard here is shove. But some people just don’t three bet anything but aces or kings and you can actually fold.

FWIW though, that takes a read. Like extensive history, or some sort of player stereotyping, like a 77 year old man in a pressed polo shirt and khakis who has a newspaper out and has barely said a word in 2 hours.

I don’t think we have that read, or else we wouldn’t be asking this question, though.

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