H has been treading and leaking water for a couple of hours.

V in this hand has been very active at an active loose table, but like everyone at the table, rarely 3betting.

H (250) UTG - raise QcQs 15
V (covers) MP - min raises to 30
LP caller

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Call pre, check & call his c/b flop, c/r turn or if check/check turn than lead and outdonk on the river. No much philosophy because so few variables comes into play and the effective only 83bb

There is merit to calling or raising. Calling is lower variance but you will be at least 4 ways unless the original raiser decides to shove over top of the min raise and 2 flat calls. 4 ways to a flop with QQ is borderline just setmining.

Raising will narrow the field but if someone shoves over your 4bet at 1/2 you are probably behind but will also probably have to call at that point. Raising also has the chance to fold every body out and take down 30+ BB preflop which is a pretty good result.



Outdonked's advice is not great imo. You can't plan all streets in a 4 way pot like he is suggesting. You have to play to whatever situation comes up. It will depend on the board and the other players.

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This seems optimistic for many boards. Would only work on J-hi dry boards, maybe one overcard.

Raise/call/fold vote, anyone??

4betting would be a massive error

Minraise reeks of strength. Probably trying to get later actors involved in the pot. Not a smart enough player to just limp and hope someone else 3! for him.

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If he has not been 3 betting preflop then the min raise is super strong. Your getting straight odds to set mine though, so flat and hope to hit. If you don't hit and the flop is ugly and he bets just give up. If it's dry you can call the flop and see if he continues.

This is a situation where you just have to have the discipline not to lose much money. A typical villain isn't bluffing here enough to be worth trying to pick one off.

Min 3bet is usually an indicator of strength, but not like getting queens in for ~80 bigs can be terrible

If he can have AK ever then 4b/gii with the little bit of dead money.

With your stack I might even just shove. Tiny 3 bet is not necessarily super strong. You have fold equity and the range that calls is not crushing you. Calling and playing OOP is not good. Always auto top up btw.

I do. Just forgot my ATM card that night so no access to cash other than the 400 cash I started with.

The argument for 4bet or not to 4bet imo is generally this. If you 4 bet and he raises again are you folding? If you're going to fold to all 5bets just call and go from there.

In game I would've probably 4bet to 80 or 90 and called a shove, but what about a min-raise 4-bet fold to a shove? Some players minraise with weaker hands than you might think like 1010,JJ, 99, AQ, AJ and sometimes suited-connectors to get initiative post-flop for cheap. Given that you've been "treading and leaking water for a few hours", I don't think villain will 5bet shove you light, since a min 4-bet looks super strong like you could have aces. and then if both players call, Shove on any non A/K high board. This is better than flatting because if you just flat, you're getting stacked by any non A/K high board against the aces and kings in his range, and by min 4-betting you get a chance to get away from AA/KK preflop as well as get value from the weaker, marginal hands that now can't fold because they're getting such a good price to call.

So, I did end up raising to 120. He opened folded the other QQ. In a rare moment, I showed (which I slightly regretted after). V was astounded ("but what if I had KK or AA?"). I just think random V's show up with AK or worse a decent amount of the time here (umm, like me, although I would 3bet larger).

I guess I just tend to go with QQ+ pre in 1/3 with 100 bbs or less - I could be wrong about QQ though.

I'll have to consider the min 4bet - I should at least try this out and/or mix it in against regs. I think I would only want to do that heads-up though? Like in this case, not with the other caller as if V calls, the 2nd guy will usually call because of lol "pot odds".

The min raise is the important bit here. Unless you have some reason to think otherwise because of villain's actions then the min raise is usually QQ+ that wants to get more money in the pot without folding you out. In this situation I would happier if villain had raised more, because AK/JJ and potentially some weaker hands are more likely if villain is trying to get you to fold.

Why is a tiny 3 bet always nutted? I've seen it done with plenty of strong but not nutted hands.

I would typically limp/reraise at a loose action table here.

As played, I'd typically flat to pretty much setmine (we're getting ~18:1 IO and it's unlikely he'll be able to get away from AA/KK on a Q high flop in an SPR <= 4 pot).

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When a player who has not been 3 betting min raise 3 bets I find it's almost always super strong. If villain has been more aggressive preflop or has been min raising then their range can be wider. Every now and then I run across a villain that will make min raise bluffs but every one I have seen bluffs a lot.