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1/3 3bet pot, AA on a TJ4Qr board, first to act 1/3 3bet pot, AA on a TJ4Qr board, first to act

04-14-2015 , 12:55 AM
3 limps, V raises to $15 OTB, Hero in SB re-raises to $50 with AA, V calls

Flop ($110): J T 4
Hero bets $80, V calls

Turn ($270): Q
Hero ?? (Hero has $170 behind and V covers)

Villain: Generally plays tight, seen him slowplay sometimes, sees Hero as a competent reg who hasn't played many hands this session.

Will post results later.
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04-14-2015 , 01:20 AM
It would seem that his entire range of calling the 3bet got there.
JJ TT QQ AK.


This seems like the worst runout for AA. As played, I think you check the turn and fold to a raise.....

With the read that you have here, I think it is a check/fold
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04-14-2015 , 03:18 AM
All in. Vs 3b calling range on button should be wider than TT+/AK. I'm not folding AA in 3b pot with 100bb effective on almost any board
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04-14-2015 , 03:29 AM
Sucks to be us tbh. But we can't bet fold here. Can't go this far with AA and bet fold. This board has smashed his range but he struggles to call the flop with AK. We have to just jam and hope he's priced in to call with his Ax he couldn't fold pre.
gross
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04-14-2015 , 11:33 AM
I like preflop.

Not a great flop against a tightish Villains raise/call range. But with this SPR, I'm feeling pretty committed, so I would also bet to play for stacks on the turn.

Wow, gross turn. The only hand we're ahead of is KK or possibly a very loose KQ; we're tying a tricky AA. But we rightly committed on the flop and only have 2/3 PSB left. I sigh shove cuz I'm not sure we can do anything else (i.e. can we really fold having correctly committed so much of our stack and there still being *some* hands that we beat?).

GsighshovingG
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04-14-2015 , 03:01 PM
Interesting spot.

25 combos are ahead (AK/QQ/JJ/TT) with 15 behind (KK/KQs/99). Described as tight, invested ~17% of eff stack pre, so I eliminated 2-pr hands and KQo from his range.

We invested >40% of stack, but value betting seems too thin. This may be a spot to gii and fold worse, though I prefer to check/evaluate, looking for a live sign. With a good read could C/F.
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04-15-2015 , 10:41 AM
Awful turn. This comes down to whether or not villian would call pre with KQs and AJs. If u can't put those hands in villian's 3 pre flatting range then you are beating only 6 combos of KK. Compared to the other 12 combos of AK and 9 combos of sets. Also I think it unlikely villian has KK or the other two aces b/c of the action thus far. C/f turn imo.

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04-15-2015 , 12:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wj94
All in. Vs 3b calling range on button should be wider than TT+/AK. I'm not folding AA in 3b pot with 100bb effective on almost any board
+1
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04-15-2015 , 01:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6betfold
3 limps, V raises to $15 OTB, Hero in SB re-raises to $50 with AA, V calls

Flop ($110): J T 4
Hero bets $80, V calls

Turn ($270): Q
Hero ?? (Hero has $170 behind and V covers)

Villain: Generally plays tight, seen him slowplay sometimes, sees Hero as a competent reg who hasn't played many hands this session.

Will post results later.
Curious: What's the typical open raise size? $15 seems small behind 3 limpers. If so, we can widen the button's raising/calling range. Not to mention that, if the villain is a drooler, they'll call lighter pre because lolpotodds.

I'm not sure what betting accomplishes. We won't get better to fold for less than a PSB. I don't think we can get value from worse other than, say KJ/AJ (we block AJ). I check/fold here - a tight guy isn't turning AQ into a bluff here.
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04-15-2015 , 01:10 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeathCabForTootie
Curious: What's the typical open raise size? $15 seems small behind 3 limpers. If so, we can widen the button's raising/calling range. Not to mention that, if the villain is a drooler, they'll call lighter pre because lolpotodds.

I'm not sure what betting accomplishes. We won't get better to fold for less than a PSB. I don't think we can get value from worse other than, say KJ/AJ (we block AJ). I check/fold here - a tight guy isn't turning AQ into a bluff here.
Good point about the preflop raise size, it does seem small, which seems to suggest a wider range is definitely possible.

KK/KQ (real possibilities, imo) and some other random pair + draw hands are never folding, no? And those hands might think they are the nuts if we check.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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04-15-2015 , 01:26 PM
Shove, getting better than 2:1 on a call.

We are ahead against a range of 99-AA, ATs-AKs, AKo, KQs.

Tighten up V's range to TT-AA, AKs, AQs, KQs we have almost 40% equity at 1.6:1 against.

Obviously we play Turn differently if stacks are deeper.
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04-15-2015 , 02:59 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 6betfold
3 limps, V raises to $15 OTB, Hero in SB re-raises to $50 with AA, V calls

Flop ($110): J T 4
Hero bets $80, V calls

Turn ($270): Q
Hero ?? (Hero has $170 behind and V covers)

Villain: Generally plays tight, seen him slowplay sometimes, sees Hero as a competent reg who hasn't played many hands this session.

Will post results later.
Results?

Gross spot. It really depends on his pre flop calling range. Is it wider than TT+, AK? Will he call $80 on flop with AK? How often does he 4bet KK pre?

You can really only check fold or shove here. I probably shove. It's probably a small mistake at worst but check folding the best hand is a disaster if he has alot of KK, AQ or even worst hands.

You need to be ahead only ~30% of the time or so on turn.
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04-15-2015 , 06:15 PM
Results:

Turn ($270): Q
Hero tank-checks, V checks behind

River ($270): K
Hero shoves $170, V calls and shows KK in disgust
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