H is on the button with JcJs. LJ RFI to 10, HJ calls, H 3! to 40, both call. To note: Exactly the same preflop action happened last hand with the same people, it didn't get to showdown as current HJ folded to H on the river.

LJ hasn't gone to showdown much, but he showed some good hands and he was passionately discussing strategy with another player earlier.

H is young, is already on his second bullet and he has been folding a lot to big bets.

Flop comes 8c7d4c
LJ donks 25, HJ calls, H calls.

Turn comes Ac
LJ leads again for 175, HJ folds, H tank calls.

River comes 7h
LJ checks, H goes all in for 150 more, LJ calls.

Looking back I much prefer folding or going all in on the turn, I considered all three options but I wanted to keep his bluffs in. What do you think?

I would fold turn when he bets large oop 3 ways on a card that’s really good for your range.

What are you doing on the river? Don’t think an ace is folding and doubt worse is calling.

I don’t mind a fold or a call on turn. Probably call with Jc and fold without.

I don’t like a turn shove when FDFD completes. The only hands that call we beat are TT, 99….and maybe T9 and 96 (if he even gets to flop with 96).


But, when we call on turn, the point is to keep bluffs or bluffs that he thinks are a value (TT and 99) in. As well as looking to counterfeit any smaller flush.

Once he checks river, you tossed that out the window. And I’m not sure if you’re intending to value bet or bluff here. Either is no good. $150 behind isn’t enough to fold out most any Ace.

There’s really only 12 combos of hands that call we beat. 99 and TT. Tons of stuff we don’t.

Not sure why he checks this river unless he has a small flush or is doing some weird trap even though you called $175 on turn.

Unless he’s filled up and giving your overpairs with a single club or KQcc a chance to hang yourself. But again, not enough money behind for that.

Also, for the most part, when multi-way, we want to keep pots small.

But with this flop and being in position…..I would raise this donk.

Any club, A, K, Q, T, 9, 8, 7, 6 or 5 is bad for our exact hand. Q+ is good for our range.

I’d raise to $100-$175 somewhere. Probably around $125. And revaluate based on their response.

We might raise/fold to a shove or raise/call.

Yes, we are playing our overpair face up…..but there are many, many combos we are ahead of now vs how many we will be behind on most turns.

Depending on stack sizes, we can even jam sometimes. Sure, we get called by 88 and 77, but that’s only 6 combos. We probably get some TT and 99 if our jam looks like a bluff with Broadway cards. And we get some combo draw calls. Maybe some FDFD too. Getting TT and 99 and non combo FD to call would be great. Not sure what stack sizes are though. Looks like around $400.

This board on flop is just not one we want to see a turn with a lot.

This would be an exception to the small multi-way pot generality.

Thank you for your detailed responses. V showed .

Something I learned in general in this session is that I need to be more aggressive on the flop, I had multiple hands where I got a really good flop where V donked quite big and I just called when I should probably have raised to get some fold equity from draws, then it bit me when a terrible card came OTT.

I also had some trouble adapting to this 1/3 table, the players were even looser than usual and very stationey so it was hard to put them on meaningful ranges, but I didn't hit the board hard enough to ever have a spot where I could purely go for value.

Next time include stack sizes and pots sizes per street so we don't have to do this math ourselves.

With very little dead money in the pot relative to stacks, us already having the Button, not having to deny equity from any limpers, etc., I actually think a flat is perfectly fine here preflop. If I was to 3bet, I like to offer poor 8:1 IO in spots where I'll be setting up an SPR where it will be difficult to fold postflop, so I would have went $60. ETA: No hate intended here, but if we are going to butcher postflop (which we absolutely did), then we should almost never be building a big bloated pot preflop.

SPR is 3 and we've got a vulnerable overpair on a drawy board. In spite of not loving the fact we offered our villains 14+:1 IO (not great, but not horrible either), we're committed for stacks, imo. So there is no way I'm going to let anyone get away with a lol $25 bet and call into $120 in this spot. With $170 in the pot and $350 behind, I think you could argue for a shove here. I'd typically want to offer poor 2:1, which would be $220, but might as well just stick it all in at that sizing. But at the very least I'm raising large to get the rest in on the turn.

As played, I would sigh change my commitment decision on the turn and just fold. He's betting a PSB with hardly anything left into 2 opponents, the main draw got there (which he easily could have been betting lol 1/5th PSB on the flop), and even the random AK/etc. got there. What, we think he's bluffing? And we certainly don't have the odds to continue (and we could be drawing dead).

I have no idea what we're doing on the river. Is this a value bet (do we think worse hands are calling)? Is this a bluff (do we think better hands are folding)? Easy check back for me.

Sizing preflop is debatable, but other than that the whole hand is a disaster in that we basically did the opposite of what we should be doing on each street. When we setup easy peasy commitment spots preflop, then commit ASAP on the flop, especially with vulnerable hands on drawy boards. And when things run out horribly wrong on later streets (and we feel we may no longer be committed), then just get out / showdown for cheap if possible.

GcluelessNLnoobG

Given HJ keeps opening and calling your 3bets, go bigger. 40 is just less than 2x pot.

This seems bad. Villains have all the sets, at least 2 combos of top two and 65 for the nuts. Plus they can play a bunch of flush/straight draws as shoves. Even if V calls our raise all the bad turn cards are still bad, and now we are in a bigger pot.

EDIT: Stacks/SPR is not obvious ... so I guess we could shrug shove. I don't like it though, as we are mostly getting money in flipping/slightly-ahead vs. decent draws or really bad. There are maybe a few hands that really don't like it, and maybe fold 30%+ equity ... but I don't think that's worth enough.

Would call flop and it's probably best to just fold turn even with Jc without reads that he's going to keep firing with at least 76.

On the river we don't even beat 76 anymore and he's not folding better.

The key here is SPR / commitment, especially with one pear hands. When we're committed at small SPRs, then raise to commit. But when we're not committed at large SPRs, calling to keep the pot under control is just fine.

GcluelessSPRnoobG

Almost every turn is terrible for us. If you're calling flop and fold turn with Jc.......you should just fold flop. What are we hoping for on turn......a 2, 3, or 4 that's not a club?

That's about the only option when we call the flop bet with this board. V can barrel very large on most any turn that isn't a J, 4, 3, or 2.



This would be different with larger stacks. Then we might call a small bet looking for a jack or small card.



But, once we face this flop with JJ.......we are always in a spot with a coin flip, or way ahead/way behind spot. If we aren't willing to take thin lines......then just fold the flop and move on. It's not "optimal," but its better than seeing a turn that's almost always going to be bad and being put in the blender.