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02-16-2017 , 01:32 AM
Hero ($400) - pretty tight. Pretty card dead most of the night and it has been the same people at the table for the most part. However, Hero just 4-bet someone with AK and the guy folded QQ. Everyone asked aces or kings and I said yeah.

Villain ($300) - young guy seems to be fairly standard in terms of vpip. Maybe been at table 1 hour and had just one big hand that got it all in. He had bottom straight with K8 and villain had broadway.

V in MP raises to $15
V2 in SB calls
H in BB calls with 6c6h

Flop ($45)
Ts4c5s

V2 check
H check
V1 bets $30
V2 folds
H calls.

x/f flop is my standard play. My thought process is that V1 will continue a lot of his overs. I plan to lead all spades; 6/4/8. If turn is not one of those, and if I check and he checks, I plan on firing almost all rivers (non-Ace)

Turn ($105)
Ts4c5s. 7c

Hero leads $55
V1 thinks a bit and calls
I chose to go fairly small. I think it gets him to fold any AK/AQ type hands. If he's nittier than we think he might fold a pair. But the smaller size lets me bluff different rivers

River ($210)
Ts4c5s. 7c. 9h

Hero bets $140

I think this is an ok river for me. Obviously if I'm going to bluff I want to bluff a spade, but I block 68 and I would value bet al T9/68/J8/sets. One thing I don't like about my bluff is that when he calls my turn lead he has a lot of overpairs, although I don't see him flatting sets on this type of board.

Thoughts?


Also guess this is more of a 2 street not 3 street barrel

Last edited by jc315; 02-16-2017 at 01:38 AM.
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02-16-2017 , 02:34 AM
id probably fold flop, but i get the plan. to represent FD.

Dont quite understand what youre repping when you lead the turn, except a dude who wants the hand to be over. I get you picked up equity but now what? you ended up betting a river brick, so basically he is folding everything you beat (ace high, mid pair) and calling with everything that beats you. (top pair or better).

i mean, idk, maybe As9s folds...maybe...

check turn, check river. hope he has AK or FD.
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02-16-2017 , 12:07 PM
Preflop is meh. Opponent has opened in MP which means his range might be getting wider and so setmining just isn't going to be as profitable (i.e. it's not as if we're always up against an overpair here that might pay off). There's only one other person in the pot, so meh immediate odds and lesser IO due to having to need one of just two guys pay off. We're also OOP, which makes getting paid off and playing postflop so much more difficult. We also have a nit image, not exactly the type of image we want with this hand. The only thing we have going for us is that we're getting a good price (26+ implied odds), but I'm not convinced that's enough in this spot. When I'm playing meh I probably sleepwalk make the call preflop, but overall it is most likely a leak.

I probably just check/fold the flop. Yeah, he could be cbetting, but what's our plan? Just hope he stops betting on the turn, even on ugly cards, and hope we somehow get thru two more streets OOP? We do have the option of repping a flush, so like 10 outs to a repped flush + set, but that's only going to happen 20% of the time, what about the other 80%? Is our planned river bet (if the turn checks thru) for value or a bluff?

I'm ok with our turn play (looks like I didn't factor in some OESDs that we could play back at). I might even bet smaller, as really any whiffed overs can't take any heat whatsoever, but a 1/2 PSB is fine.

On the river the main flop draw busted. If he's got TP+, he's probably looking us up a lot. His turn call indicates he most likely has TP+, or else he's busted the main draw himself (I doubt he'll attempt to bluff that if we check?). I probably would lean to a check/fold at this point.

ETA: Unlike Tomark, I think the turn is my favourite street. If Villain just has overs (like he often does) then it almost doesn't matter whether we rep much, there's really not much they are going to do about it. And we could still just be repping a set that slowplayed the flop (waiting to see if the turn card kills our hand with a flush and donk it when it doesn't). Plus the turn gives us a decent backup plan (i.e. more outs to hit) if he calls.

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02-16-2017 , 12:28 PM
Generally folding the flop oop. I'd prefer to float in position.

100% check turn. You pick up some extra equity and want a free card. You can c/r if you think he's fos or c/c if the price is right and bluff river clubs and spades. The river is not ok for you because every draw missed and top pair didn't change. Nothing should frighten villain into a fold and it's time to give up.
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02-16-2017 , 12:30 PM
Pre flop seems fine, I'm always calling here especially closing the action.

Flop is meh. I make this play a lot too, on the theory that I'm ahead of overcards that are c-betting. That said, I like the float a lot less because we're OOP. So while I would call here, I think it's a leak, and should be saved for spots where we're in position and are better able to pot control later streets.

Don't know why you lead turn. Sure you fold out overcards, but either they're drawing to six outs or they have a FD and aren't folding. You also prevent overcards from barreling, and with turn giving you a straight draw you have a great hand to check and bluff catch with if this guy is capable of double barreling air. If he's not then you can check and evaluate based on sizing.

I hate the river bet. When he calls your turn bet he looks like he has Tx or an overpair. Don't think we're getting those hands to fold. The only hand we really represent here are flush draws that hit a straight somehow, like 86ss, or T9. I don't like trying to get unknowns to fold top pair +, and I generally don't like turning hands with showdown value (which we have on the turn though maybe not river) into bluffs.
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02-16-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek


ETA: Unlike Tomark, I think the turn is my favourite street. If Villain just has overs (like he often does) then it almost doesn't matter whether we rep much, there's really not much they are going to do about it. And we could still just be repping a set that slowplayed the flop (waiting to see if the turn card kills our hand with a flush and donk it when it doesn't). Plus the turn gives us a decent backup plan (i.e. more outs to hit) if he calls.

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Surprised by this GG, as turn may be my least favorite street. Agreed that if villain just has overs (without a flush draw) he's folding here, but we're ahead of those hands anyway and they only have 6 outs. I guess it prevents him from barreling us off of our hand, but when we turn the OESD we're in a great spot to bluff catch him, and we prevent him from bluffing when lead into him.
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02-16-2017 , 12:42 PM
Don't like any street besides maybe pre which is whatever

Check/shoving turn could be ok vs right villain but i doubt op has sufficient reads
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02-16-2017 , 12:59 PM
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Surprised by this GG, as turn may be my least favorite street. Agreed that if villain just has overs (without a flush draw) he's folding here, but we're ahead of those hands anyway and they only have 6 outs. I guess it prevents him from barreling us off of our hand, but when we turn the OESD we're in a great spot to bluff catch him, and we prevent him from bluffing when lead into him.
I don't know where my head is this morning. For some reason (lolz) I didn't realize we had a pair on the turn, which is ahead of all his overcards (i.e. there is no reason to bluff him off his overcards when we're actually the ones ahead). Yeah, checking the turn is better. Wish I could edit my original post.

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02-16-2017 , 01:50 PM
thanks for responses. fwiw this is not my conventional play and i don't donk lead turns often. just experimented a bit with this hand.

i led turn to set up a river bluff, which i think i can do on a lot of run-outs
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02-16-2017 , 03:33 PM
Seems like a lot of FPS OOP that isn't needed. Once we float the flop we need to continue on turn but I much prefer check/calling or check/jamming if we had a good read. River seems like a weird barrel after he calls turn but it's also the only way you'll win the pot. That isn't to say I like it, I think this line is pretty spewy seeing as how we just put +$200 in as a bluff OOP against an unknown who hasn't shown weakness throughout the hand.
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