$1/3 $1k buy in cap, match stack after.

Game plays somewhere between a 5/5 and 5/10. Lots of Live and Button $10 straddles. $15 is usually minimum open on non straddle pot.

Fairly loose passive. Though guys will just click buttons at random times.

Entire table is 400+ BB


Effective stack: $1800

Hero: BTN 9s9c (image is standard TAG. some history with some V's at table and have seen I don't always have nuts with big bets at times)

Villain: no real history. Doesn't seem special either way at this point. Haven't seen him do anything out of line or anything impressive either.


$10 Live Straddle


UTG: Limps 10
UTG2: Limps 10
Villain: LJ raises to $50

Hero: BTN 9s9c calls $50

I mix in calls and raises with middle pairs. And every blue moon larger pairs. There are some guys at table who do pay attention enough I will add some balance in.

Also, a fair amount of players are inelastic in their preflop. Even 3! pots will be 4 way many times. And fair chance one will get a piece and be a station to showdown. Which is good for value.

So, being that we are all very deep, I decide to flat here and take a flop on button.

SB: Folds
BB: Folds
UTG: Folds
UTG1: Calls $50

Pot: $170

Flop: Jh Tc 3s

UTG1: checks
V: Bets $60

UTG is already looking to muck and didn't seem like an angle.

Hero: calls $60
UTG: folds

I'm not completely sure on a range for V, but I'm not always behind here. And even so, there's some decent turn cards that may give me some equity.

Pot: $290

Turn: Jh Tc 3s 9d

Villain: Bets $150
Hero: Calls $150

I considered raising here. But every so often I run into KQ. And I don't think I need to rush to get money in if he has QQ+ as any non face card river and good chance he's not folding. I think anyway.

Pot: $590

River: Jh Tc 3s 9d Td

Villain: bets $150

Hero: raise to $450

Villain: tanks for 20s and shoves

Hero: ???


Not sure if he ever shoves with KQ here.

3 combos of JJ
5 combos JT
2 combosT9

3 combos of 33 (again, like KQ, if he would shove with 33)

And then spewy **** like QQ+ and AT, KT, QT

Probably a little out of my comfort zone but two questions :

1) what do we make of his bet sizing being the same on the turn and river?

2) why are we raising here if we are considering folding? Is this a raise fold for value spot?

Solver likes V to shove with all broadway T's here with a lot of +EV. And says to fold 99 to his shove.

I'm assuming because the shove with T's is essentially bluffing and in a perfect world folds out 99 and 33.

Good questions.

The same size bet is confusing at times in these games. As sometimes its trying to get value without folding people out. And other times its a blocker type bet wanting to get to showdown for a price they set.


And yea, I should have taken a bit more time before the raise and considered. I have no problem bet/folding for value at anytime.

This one is tough though. Its definitely a bet/fold candidate when this happens.

Fairly thin value raise as well.

We'd be targeting QQ+, maybe, maybe AJ. Some AT, KT, QT that were barreling and thought they hit gin with the second T and wanted to get paid another $150


At this point in the hand I was trying to decide two things:

Would V overplay QQ+ here, or turn into a bluff?

Would he do this with broadway T? And if so, would his reason be spewy, or does he know enough to turn the T into a bluff that only JJ and JT can call?

Same questions with KQ. There's a very real possibility he thinks nut straight is good here. But not sure at the time.

In these deep games (I played in the 1/3 match the big stack game at Turning stone last weekend they're definitely a breed of their own and plays bigger than the 5/5 or even 5/10 at times when everyone gets deep) I would fold to the 3bet, it's 1,100 to call and these are almost always bigger FH's, especially with his description/read.

I like 3-betting more than flatting pre. Fold on the flop.

As played, I fold OTR. I don't think anyone is finding the 3-bet bluff here or 3-betting worse. Maybe, MAYBE you can call vs an absolute maniac or you have a strong read.

I took almost 2 min.

I couldn't figure out a way non maniac or non tilting player could be shoving instead of calling with QQ+, KQ, or Tx.

And if he's somehow some wizard that knew to turn Tx into a bluff in this spot, well, I guess he wins.

Folded, and no idea what he ended up having.

We got stacks in later on river on A Q T 2 A my AQ vs his AT.


But, I always second guess folding FH's that develop from a set. I did see him make some odd barrels and/or bluffs in other spots. But for much lower amounts. I fairly confident I was beat. Or at lease I should be almost all the time.

Just for conversation's sake.


If the game is very inelastic pre-flop, and someone is almost always sticking around after.......... how often would you 3! 99 here?


For example, lets say, I 3! to $150, and get 3 or 4 callers (this is extremely possible in this game). Against a 25% loose passive inelastic type range.....

With 3 callers and us, we have 29% equity going to a flop.



So, in these type games I'm always going back and forth with "norma" 3! and such, which bloats pot with not great equity.

Or keeping the pots small and build them post flop.

Equity is Equity, so doesn't really matter in the long run. But day to day variance with smaller SPR's is a pain in the ass. At least for me.

If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times good players make money by folding good hands when they know they're likely beat.

It was a good fold and pretty much a standard fold when this deep (we started the hand with 600 bb's).

I like a 3bet pre

Flop leaning towards a fold multiway, our playability sucks in later streets as represented in this hand, we get the top 0.2% runout and still get in a spot.

River , is one of those spots we have an almost unbeatable hand but vilain’s line is incredibly strong so now we are trying to find excuses to call because our hand is so good. That dopamine you had when you raised to 450$ was instantly crushed when he jammed on you and now your trying to chase that high and not thinking about proper ranges.

I think your spew range assignment for vilain is very unlikely. You have all the boats in your range so it’d be absolutely insane for him to rejam bluff or even reraise 33 for value.

I’d snap fold, not show make it seem like i was bluffing him or something. Unless you start seeing vilain getting super ******ed with his 2k stack then this is a relatively easy fold.

1. Flat pre is good imo
2. Call flop is marginal 3 way, but not terrible
3. I raise turn here. Sure he might have KQ, but he also has a heck of a lot you're ahead of, like combo draws, and even AA/KK that will likely call your raise
4. River - as played, I like the raise. With the re-raise it's a puke fold. This is nearly always the nuts or very close.

You show 10 combos you lose to. It is 11. 1010 also. $1100 into $2200. I did not used to be good enough to fold here. V would have to turn 10Q, 10K or 10A into a bluff. Or not understand what was going on with his combos of 33. So if he is doing that with six combos it is a call. It is probably closer to one or two combos. Painful fold.

Im not a fan of the flop peel

I think at 1/3 and below and even nitty 2/5 games a lot of edge comes from keeping small pots with small edges. Id rather go to the flop 5 ways with 22% for $200 than 4 ways for 29% with $700 in the middle.

We need to sticky this. Great advice.

Not that deep, it's effective 1/3/10 with $1,800 ... I can appreciate people's POV with it's "kind of like" 200bb at 1/2/5 with $400, but when there's $15k+ on the table I'm less inclined to pretend things like that.

Pre. seems fine, if we were 400bb+ I'd lean more toward 3bet than a pure mix (just because a set of 9s isn't that great to stack off 40x the pot).

Just fold flop, we just have so many better hands. J9/T9/etc. has us crushed and we get bluffed out too much, and our nut turn didn't raise. Does a solver call with 99 here?

I much prefer raising turn than river. You said solver likes to raise/fold 99 on river ... but I find it hard to believe solver gets to this river this way enough of the time (requires calling flop and turn and then raising) for that to matter. Also very suspicious of how many combos of AT, or even KT villain gets to the river with (like I assume solver doesn't have anywhere near 100% of those preflop combos).


Even for the small size I probably just call river, it's not like we are significantly better than KQ on the river and I assume you aren't raising that? Ignoring what villain has we have to be nut bottom of our range for the river raise, so I agree with you and everyone else to fold then.

I mean, if you think your 3-bet is going multi way often, then don't 3-bet. I think calling is fine. Just don't fold

Not sure about any of this, but, I am suspicious that solver would really ever fold a FH in this spot OTR in hero’s shoes.

I would think KQ is closer to the bottom of our range for raising river versus the block sizing.

I’d have a hard time folding this hand on the river in the games I play. It sounds like $1800 is closer to 150Bb in this game, with the frequent straddles and all. We aren’t very deep considering the context.