Saturday afternoon snoozefest, game sucks, mostly shorter stacked old people limp/calling my raises and check/shoving over my cbets. I'm down a couple hundred at this point. On the table change list, but they all look like garbage.

Hero ($300): Late 20's reg, probably seen as LAG since I'm the only one at the table raising. Old guy on my right twice limp/called and check/shoved over my PSB cbets with his ~$120-140 stack

V ($400): Seems like typical loose-passive rec player, maybe 60-65 years old

Hero dealt 67 in CO. Folds to hero, I raise to $10, SB and BB both call.

Flop ($30): KJ4

Checks to me, I bet $20, SB folds, BB quickly calls

Turn ($70): 2

BB checks, I bet $65, figure this should fold out all of his Jx, mid-PP's, and maybe QT/AT/AQ type hands. He asks how much and quickly calls anyway.

River ($200): Q

V checks and thinks I checked, but I hadn't done anything yet and he turns over JT. Hero?

Standard disclaimer: I'm not as good as you, but I'm posting anyway as an exercise.

Clearly your table image is not good...nobody seems to trust you, you're folding to their shoves (this seems to be implied anyway), even further proving you're a bluffer, you thought this guy would fold all of his Jx yet he called with J with 3rd kicker on the turn, and you yourself state that he seems loose-passive.

Any idiot can suspect that you, an aggressive player, having seen his mediocre cards, will try to bluff him out.

All signs point to give up and value-town them when you actually have a monster (maybe even show your 67 to get you paid later).

If you must bluff, make it an amount that feels really value-y. like 120-140. Just low enough that he thinks you're trying to entice him to call, but high enough to be painful if he's wrong.

Still, I'd toss them and say "you'd call anyway". Make them feel good about catching your bluffs, and then stack them with value hands.

-your local neighborhood nit

Your image is LAG so I would not bet this board. I know giving up seems weak but it looks like he is willing to call you down light.

If you must bet I would bet around 130. But I'm pretty sure I would get called.

Bet 100. Not saying it was this time, but sometimes this could be an angle. It's not your fault he showed his hand and that shouldn't make you lose your chance at betting the river wether it's for value or to bluff. Although they sometimes will be suspicious and call, most of the time they will be embarrassed and fold, or fold because everyone can see their mediocre hand and they don't want to take that chance calling with it.

If you bet, shove.

.. and I would vote yes here. Shove.

Looks like you are getting nit bombed here pretty good. Frustrating, I know. As played this spot is kinda player dependent. I would probably just check/give up. I might also cut out chips and see if I can get a reaction from him. If he intends on folding to a bet, he might just throw his cards in at the first sign that you are going to do so.

Also, given your description, I might try and start seeing flops for the minimum with this type of hand and move away from zero equity bluffs. I also think that betting/double barreling this board is kinda meh... two broadway's = bad board to cbet for the most part especially with your image.

Shove looks good.

Check flop. As played the db is good but I think c/f flop>double barrel.

i could not resist to bomb it here...
how can you expect your everyday joe to call you down with now 3rd pair to the board? probably all a guy like him thinks is "he might be bluffing, but that is just too much money for 3rd pair."

Shove is the only bet that might get a fold, but personally I would recommend switching gears and showing down a strong hand or two. This guy might even call a shove not because he necessarily thinks he is good, but because he is frustrated by the situation. I would fold here and adjust.

I had this exact scenario happen to me a couple years ago, and my image was LAG. Similar spot too. I had 9 high on a QJ752r board. Villain thought I checked and turned over AK after I barreled 2 streets. I took a minute and shoved. He started thinking out loud saying "why would you bet here knowing I can't call a shove very often?" He eventually called and took it down.... My point is if these villains are able to deduce that same conclusion, they're calling. Think about it from his perspective... Why would you shove a better hand knowing he'll fold to such a huge bet if he thinks he's beat, limiting your value to the minimum? The answer is you probably wouldn't (or maybe you outlevel him and make this shove with a better hand anyway). I think I check behind here.

Edit: then again, your winrate is like almost twice what mine is at 1/2 at almost the same amount of time, so what do I know?

In my experience from hands I've seen and hands I've played shoves get called more in this situation than bets that look value-ish. I would be inclined to bet 120 here with air and shove anything that beats villain.

Another option is to check behind and make it like you didn't want to bet because he showed and you're a good guy etc etc but given that you're on the table change list and the current players you're against are nits this seems like a bad option.

Don't like your turn bet. The 2 is a total blank, and he's loose passive, so he's probably calling all his Jx, draws, etc., hands. I'd probably value bet all Kx vs. him and would not bluff with total air (it obviously doesn't help that you have 0 equity when called). 65 into 70 is also just unnecessarily large. Not to nit pick, but 60 is more than enough.

On the river, I don't like shoving because it looks way bluffier, and it also skews your risk/reward. In other words, shoving risks a ton more chips, but I don't think it's that much more effective than a smaller bet (and it could be less effective).

I'd slide out a < 1/2 PSB bet of $75. Think he insta mucks. The river Q certainly helps you a ton, because so much more beats him now. If there's ever a time to make a post-oak bluff, it's when he knows you know his cards, and he's the villain you're describing. And you've been betting 3 streets, and that's real scary live. Given your turn second barrel, which should look scary enough to 3rd pair, not continuing to bluff in this situation would just be cra cra.

A shove is spastic and probably less effective. You get curiously **** you calls. How often? I don't know, but often enough that it's a far worse choice.

I was thinking post-oak too. I think a shove gets looked up more often.

You absolutely have to bet river. I guess a shove is good...

Just bet like 70.

You shouldn't have c-bet flop or turn.

I cbet almost every flop in position and double barrel often, just a matter of sizing.

That sounds like a leak.

Edit: to be specific about this flop vs two opponents. The flop hits their range pretty well. There aren't really any scary turn cards to barrel as they'll often pick up 2pairs/gutters on broadway turns. These guys are notorious for drawing incorrectly and calling down with 2nd pair bad kicker etc.

Your equity is also really terrible when called, as all you have is a back door straight draw and a draw to 3rd pair.

This is a leak. And should be confirmed when you're getting exploited by every senior citizen in the neighborhood.

c-beting this flop is meh. With your image and their senior citizen blind calling ranges it's semi-spew.

Double barrell 100% confirmed spew. He's not calling you down with J10 to hit another J or 10. He thinks he's good.

Now that the poker god huffed and puffed and blew his cards over for you, go ahead and rob the man, I would probably shove cuz I think 50-70 might get called.

Just think if you had AK or even Q10 and this had happened what would you do? Probably bet 50 or so and beg for a call.

What were you going to do OTR if his cards didn't turn up here?

Well obviously my equity sucks when called. They usually just fold their second pair or worse on the flop. They almost always fold it on the turn when they don't improve. If they are calling a PSB double barrel with JT here, they are just handing me their money in the long run since I'm usually going to have them crushed or good equity when double barreling (or absolutely nothing).

Semi-spoiler:

Your image is in the ****ter. When your image is in the ****ter, you get desperate and start trying to outplay people. When you try to outplay people, you lose money and have to start earn quick money outside. When you try to earn quick money outside, you get AIDS and die. Don't get AIDS and die. Switch to Direct TV.

Or in this case, just c/f.

I'm only getting exploited because they have a monster. When they don't have a monster, they just c/f after calling my PFR and I win money. Eventually I stop running into the top of their range and hit a few flops. When they c/shove over my cbet and I have nothing or don't have the equity to call, I lose the minimum. When they c/shove over my cbet and I have it, they lose the maximum, easy game (or in this case, when they decide to call a double barrel with second pair/crappy kicker). Some flops I will cbet small, others a PSB is more likely to do the trick. Being down $200 in a 1/2 is not a big deal and I play in the room almost every day, so it's still good for my image to get paid off later with.

If I had KJ or KQ here and V is calling me down with his crap hand, it looks great. If this hand was posted from V's point of view instead, everyone would say "fold turn" unimproved and anyone who said to call or shove turn would be considered an idiot.

Decent strategy in heads up pots but need to be more selective about 3 way+.

4-way or more is when I back off unless the flop has good texture (224 or 349 or something). 3-ways I'm still cbetting almost every flop in position unless it's something like 89Jss where it just smashes their range and a ton of hands will continue, unless I actually hit something of course. I also try to raise enough preflop that it's mostly heads up and 3-way hands. If the table is super action and nobody ever folds I would limit my PFR range and back off on the cbetting OOP. This particular hand I made it $10 to keep the SPR reasonable with the shorter stacks of most V's at the table, normally I would make it $12-20.

I would say that's almost certainly a leak since the biggest problem of LLSNL players is calling too much.

That's why we have two more streets of the pokers to play