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1/2nl turn decision with TP + OES 1/2nl turn decision with TP + OES

11-10-2012 , 07:18 PM
Hero ($330) young in early 20s, been playing pretty solid. haven't shown down many hand, but when reached showdown, they were solid hands. have a tag image at the table, and bets and raises are respected by others at the table

Villain ($400+) middle aged filipino, plays a wide range of hands preflop. was seen limping with a lot of suited cards (not connecting, K4s for ex), also saw him lead out a lot with flush/OES draws. not a maniac by any means, but he does like to take the lead when he can. so pretty loose preflop, but taggish postflop

Preflop
UTG +1 limp
Hero (button) raise to $10 J10
Villain (sb) call
UTG +1 call

I raised preflop in an attempt to isolate the limper, who I had seen limp in from EP too much

Flop ($32) J89
Villain leads for $22
UTG +1 fold
Hero raise to $60
Villain call

I raised here because I believed villain was leading into me on a draw or with a marginal holding. So I tried to combine that, with the initiative I had already taken preflop, and was hoping to end it on the flop. However if called, planned to fire all blank turns. Or do you think flatting the flop, to keep the pot small would be better?

Turn ($152) 8
Villain checks
Hero ???
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11-10-2012 , 07:24 PM
b/f ~90, that 8 really doesnt change anything... so, if you were raising for value on the flop, bet for value now
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11-10-2012 , 07:30 PM
You can probably bet/fold 100 on the turn.

The flop raise was too small, you need to make it 70-80.
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11-10-2012 , 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by jay_got_JJ's
so pretty loose preflop, but taggish postflop
The 'T' in tag stands for tight and it describes his pre-flop tendancies.
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11-10-2012 , 07:40 PM
is raising better than flatting on the flop?
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11-10-2012 , 07:55 PM
If we're capable of repping a hand that wont fold on this flop then raising is my preference.

This is because I would put this guy on a lot of weak naked flush draws and Tx type hands that can't stand too much heat.
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11-10-2012 , 08:25 PM
I disagree with a lot of decisions in your hand; if you want feedback on that I'll be happy to provide what my opinions are on those. I'm advocating a very strange and possibly fishy line here but I really think it's the best way out.

It's very hard at this point to tell a convincing story with your bets that are going to induce a fold. And folding's what we want, because we frankly don't have too great of a holding right now.

PF and the flop reraise basically limit you in V's view to having AJ, KJ, Js, 9s, 8s, or semi/bluffing (which that reraise was). It's hard to sell your opponent the story that you raised PF with Q10. And obviously, with those limitations on your represented range, he still called you.

So I feel like the only holding you could be representing that V is uncomfortable with you having is Js or 9s for the boated turn. The problem here is that if you bet out $90, V stops and thinks for a moment, wonders why you're betting the stones like you want him out of the hand when the turn should be sending big warning signs... and he jams.

So... I think we have to take a trap line. I suggest betting out something paltry, around $40 - a number that'll induce a repop in the $100 range if he chooses to do that. If he repops to $100, shove for $160 on top that will likely induce a fold from much of his range. If he calls the $40, that's really what we wanted in the first place - we don't like our holding much here and we really want to see us make a non-flush straight or (best case scenario) boat with our J. Betting $40 also loses a minimal amount of money if he repops for standard or shoves.

In either case, non-flushed A, K, 2-6 on the river should be irrelevant enough for him to be spooked of our holding, check it down and we'll check through on the river for SDV.
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11-10-2012 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Sutro
It's very hard at this point to tell a convincing story with your bets that are going to induce a fold. And folding's what we want, because we frankly don't have too great of a holding right now.
dont agree with this

we have pretty good equity against a loose player's b/c flop range on this board
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11-11-2012 , 01:37 PM
ok so here's how the action on the turn went

Hero bets $100
Villain calls

River ($352) Q
Villain shoves all in
Hero???
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