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07-31-2011 , 10:08 PM
Stacks
Hero 250
Villain1 - 45
Villain2 - 300
Villain3 - 300

History
Villain1 is a bit weak, calls all kinds of craziness preflop and folds most flop
not much history on villain2 or villain3
Hero has been very tight

Preflop
Hero(MP) is dealt JJ raises to 10
Villain1(MP+1) calls
Villain2(LP) throws 20 out there then makes a big fuss saying he thought it was 20$ and even calls the floor saying it was an accident
Villain3(SB) calls 20$

The dilemma is I know I am ahead of Villain3's and Villain1's range
But I am not sure if Villain2 was acting or being for real
If it was an accident then I am way ahead of their preflop range

anyway I call 10$ more
Villain1 ships which makes it 25$ more to call
Villain2 calls
Villain3 calls

pot is now 45+45+45+20=155$

Hero?????
ship it???

Last edited by dangomango; 07-31-2011 at 10:16 PM.
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07-31-2011 , 10:35 PM
This is gross, ship or fold. If villain 2 was sandbagging he had a perfect opportunity to shove when it got back to him with ~$100 in the middle, so let's conclude he wasn't, even though his mistake makes no sense to me. Since you say you're sure you have 3 and 1 beat, I guess it's time to shove.

OTOH... these monster pots don't really get built by accident although that's ostensibly exactly what happened here. I have a strong feeling you don't hold the best hand.
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07-31-2011 , 10:42 PM
I would be very happy to win $155 preflop. JJ is a premium holding, only a dog to AA,KK,QQ. I would not be worried about the small villians AI. Both villians missed a chance to reraise again when the short stack went all in (which would be a mistake with a big pair). I would guess that if either had AA or KK they would have min raised again.

Although you will prob get called by AK, AQ, etc if you go all in, its worth the flip. Given most 1/2 games i would lean towards a All in or big raise to $100. Readless this would be a AI for me.

Do the villains know Hero has been tight? If so, is hero showing down winning hands or winning alot without showing? If Hero could have percieved as loose i would lean towards Shove.
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07-31-2011 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruno876
I would be very happy to win $155 preflop. JJ is a premium holding, only a dog to AA,KK,QQ. I would not be worried about the small villians AI. Both villians missed a chance to reraise again when the short stack went all in (which would be a mistake with a big pair). I would guess that if either had AA or KK they would have min raised again.

Although you will prob get called by AK, AQ, etc if you go all in, its worth the flip. Given most 1/2 games i would lean towards a All in or big raise to $100. Readless this would be a AI for me.

Do the villains know Hero has been tight? If so, is hero showing down winning hands or winning alot without showing? If Hero could have percieved as loose i would lean towards Shove.
+1 exact thoughts
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07-31-2011 , 10:53 PM
Ship it.
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07-31-2011 , 11:32 PM
Def ship. In fact, I would have raised to 45 when it got back to me and lost the opportunity, but now that you have it, ship, ship, ship.
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08-01-2011 , 01:41 AM
I'm going with the majority and saying ship it. I like a 4bet when the action came back to you originally though. There's a good chance with this many people in the hand that they have blockers to each others hands. That's even more of a reason to ship it. If they do call, you're most likely way ahead.
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08-01-2011 , 01:46 AM
With all the money in the pot and the way the hand has played out, you have to shove now.
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08-01-2011 , 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Garick
I would have raised to 45 when it got back to me
With effective stacks of 250, you'd do a 4-bet minraise to 45 into 3 other people after our initial raise was popped to 20?

I have a feeling you missed the action and this is just a mistake.
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08-01-2011 , 06:26 AM
Given that villain 2 didn't raise on his second opportunity, I think we now have to assume villain 2 thought the initial raise was to 20 and was only intending to call. Ship it.

Hopefully he wasn't angle shooting with KK/AA.
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08-01-2011 , 11:24 AM
embrace the variance you are about to experience and get it in.
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08-01-2011 , 11:28 AM
I'm allin. He had his 2nd chance to raise and he just flats now we're sure he's not angle-shooting. Shove.
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08-01-2011 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nogyong
Hopefully he wasn't angle shooting with KK/AA.
lol angleshootingatlive200NLaments
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08-01-2011 , 06:22 PM
Results OP? Did you stack AT and KQ when the board ran out 8TAKQ?
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08-02-2011 , 01:26 AM
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With effective stacks of 250, you'd do a 4-bet minraise to 45 into 3 other people after our initial raise was popped to 20?

I have a feeling you missed the action and this is just a mistake.
You are correct. I was just thinking of shorty's stack size and missed that the $20 had already had a caller. Oops. I would have four bet, but closer to pot.
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