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1/2NL: Pair + FD on turn in 4-way pot 1/2NL: Pair + FD on turn in 4-way pot

03-11-2015 , 03:17 PM
Hand at Red Rock...

Hero ($550): Late 20's reg, seen as aggro/LAG, PFR about 20% of hands.

V ($200): 20's Asian kid, seen him around but not much history, pretty aggro when he's in a hand even with short stack.

Relevant hand histories at this table:

1. Two limps, hero raise $17 with QQ, SB calls, one limper calls. Flop J66ss, checks to hero bets $40, SB calls, limper folds. Turn 2, SB leads $45, hero shoves for $150 more, V calls with 67

2. First hand at the table someone opens $7, hero calls with A2s, V shoves $80, everyone folds.

3. Very next hand after #2, I fold A2o to a raise, four people to flop including V. Flop A26hh, V shoves flop for about 2x pot on button when checked to him. Says he had A2 also.

Hero dealt 68 in BB. UTG woman raises $10 (range TT+/AQ+), MP calls, V calls in MP, SB calls, hero calls.

Flop ($50): JT4

SB leads $15, hero calls, UTG calls, MP folds, V calls last to act.

Turn ($110): 6

SB checks, hero checks, UTG checks (assuming AQ/AK now), V snap bets $100 and leaves himself about $75 behind. SB folds. Hero shoves? What is V supposed to have here?
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03-11-2015 , 03:44 PM
Villain could have almost anything at this point. He called $15 into $95, so any pair/any draw on the flop is probably reasonable. Nobody seems interested in the pot now, so he's probably right to take a stab with whatever crap he has.

I think you probably should lead the turn here. Your hand has a lot amount of equity against most hands, but it's not really crushing anything, so you want to maximize your fold equity. As played, you really have no FE unless V is on total air (one of the few hands you are crushing). This line is better than folding (you're putting in 175 to win 285), but I don't think you're making a ton of money against his range. Trying to push people out with a bet should make more money.
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03-11-2015 , 06:10 PM
Well played imo.

Villain is not smooth calling JT or a set on this flop with multiple callers.
He probably doesn't even have that much Jx in his range... he's raising AJ and KJ most of the time, and he's folding PF with J7 and worse.
So he only has J8, J9 and JQ.

Given that he has so few combinations of made hands here, I think his range is VERY draw heavy. He could also have some Tx, playing small ball on flop, then attacking the flop when no one seems to have top pair.

So if his range is Tx, some Jx, and draws, I think we are in very good shape to shove here.

Also, we may even have a tiny bit of fold equity, as he might level himself into folding with Tx.
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03-11-2015 , 06:40 PM
PF: OK
F: (5) handed. Pot is $50. SPR against V is 3.8. Call is fine. Are we hoping that UTG raises?
T: (3) handed. Pot is $110. I assume we are checking becasue we know that V will fire and we plan to check-raise? When V fires pot, and based on your earlier observations, it's hard to put him on a hand. If he had anything but the nut flush, wouldn't he have raised on the flop? If he had two pair or a set, wouldn't he have raised the flop?

It appears that our line on the turn was to check and let him fire, so I'd go ahead and just shove here.
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03-11-2015 , 10:48 PM
Hand is played just fine, now fold.
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03-11-2015 , 11:45 PM
I don't understand the turn shove. If V has anything higher than a pair of 6s with an 8 kicker, we're in bad shape. With $75 behind into a $310 pot, there's not a lot of FE.

If he's got pocket 9s or KT (or anything currently better than our hand), we've only got ~30% equity in the pot. Why would we want to stick in $175 with such little equity in the pot and such a small amount of FE? The only way shoving seems to make sense is if V has total air.
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03-12-2015 , 12:19 AM
Plenty of his range is fd's/combo draws, I think pairing the 6 put you ahead, I like it. And you're never dead, he has no bluffs/no sets/plenty of draws you're ~75% against/and some Jx you're 25% against.
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03-12-2015 , 12:41 AM
Just don't fold.

I think he rarely has a made hand.

Expecting a lot of draws and air.

Probably shoving given stacks, but also worth considering a call with a plan to c/c every single river.
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03-13-2015 , 01:03 AM
Gii and hope he has the straight draw instead of Jx.
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