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1/2NL - OESFD vs. Shortstack - Getting the right odds? 1/2NL - OESFD vs. Shortstack - Getting the right odds?

04-06-2012 , 09:35 AM
This is a hand from last night's session. I was not involved in this hand but it has left me curious.

Hero in this hand is short stacked. Probably had 50~BBs. Villain had the deepest stack at the table around 700BBs.

Hero seems to be a smart, competant player. He didn't show his cards this hand, but I can almost certainly assume he either had an overpair or flopped a made hand.

Villain is pretty TAG, but I'm using this term loosely as his aggression is very transparent. Doesn't seem to know much about pot odds - I watched him raise to only $8 from the SB after 4 or 5 limpers, and fired $10 on the flop into a pot of $50~. I assume this is how he got his monster stack, by consistantly showing weakness that was actually strength, and getting players to fight back with marginal holdings.

Villain limps in EP with TJ. Maybe another limp or two in MP. Hero raises to $12 OTB. Villain is the only player who calls.

Flop(pot = $28) K63
Villain checks. Hero bets $15. Villain calls.

Turn(pot = $58) K63Q
Villain checks. Hero bets $25(about half his remaining stack). Villain calls.

So with one card to go, Villain is drawing to the 3rd nut flush and has an OESD. He needs to call $25 OTT, with roughly $75 in the pot, with hero having $25 behind.

Should he have played this differently? I feel like playing a draw this passively vs. a short stack is a bad play. Maybe even calling pre was bad, but I guess he didn't know the players left to act were going to fold. What would you have done differently?
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04-06-2012 , 10:01 AM
I think that line is fine. stack to pot ratio is so little i dont think it matters. save some money if you miss
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04-06-2012 , 10:15 AM
Are you asking what villain should have done differently? If so, everything. I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is but it probably has something to do with you getting drawn out on on the river. These things happen. Villain played the hand terribly and is exactly the type of player you are looking to get heads up with in a pot.
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04-06-2012 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Snafu'd
Are you asking what villain should have done differently? If so, everything. I'm not really sure what the point of this thread is but it probably has something to do with you getting drawn out on on the river. These things happen. Villain played the hand terribly and is exactly the type of player you are looking to get heads up with in a pot.
Yes I'm asking about the Villain's play. And did you not read the very first line? I said I wasn't involved in this hand.

Villain's call preflop is bad now that we know he'd end up heads up against the short stack. But it could've been profitable had either of the 200+BB limpers also called.

So you unfortuneately are heads up against a player with 88~BBs and you flop a flush draw, facing a bet giving you about 2:1 odds. What do you do?
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04-06-2012 , 11:10 AM
Yeah sorry I missed where you said that you weren't involved. But I still don't get the point of trying to figure out what a bad player should have done differently. He's a fish that played the hand fishy.
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04-06-2012 , 01:25 PM
Hero has to shove that turn with a hand. Can't bet 25 and let V stick around.
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