Hand at Red Rock...

Hero ($500) is UTG+1: Late 20's reg, TAG-ish/bordering LAG game but totally card dead tonight, have hardly played any hands in the couple hours I've been at the table. V in this hand is not a reg, never played with him before.

V ($1700) on button: Mid-40's white guy, had about $2500 when I sat down, other people at the table saying he was running really hot. Never played with him before but did see him make a couple of questionable calls for medium sized pots. Playing a lot of pots, limping a lot with the occasional raise, seems competent though.

Hero dealt KT UTG+1 and raises to $12. Folds to V on the button who raises to $25, hero calls. This is the first time I've seen him 3bet but not sure it means much with him on the button and basically a min-raise.

Flop ($53): Q94

Hero checks, V bets $35. Hero?

Well u Def. don't fold imo. You have decent equity against most hands. You could just call but then it becomes difficult to play if u miss turn and don't have the initiative. I'd probably be inclined to raise here.. Maybe like 2.2x

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Obviously not a fold, I'm leaning towards call opposed to raise here.

I would prob donk lead into him since we flopped gin....in an effort to get stacks in. We have excellent equity against everything...we don't even need FE to make shipping a +ev play unless he has only QQ.

Hard to talk about the best line when we don't have post flop reads. But, a guy that l/c a lot and stations post prob doesn't bluff a whole lot.

Pre is prob an open fold. Esp if there are shorter stacks behind and most players are stations.

I donk $25, hope he raises then I 3b to 175 ish and ship turns.

Yes, we obviously don't fold. This is a great flop for us.

But what do you think? If we c/r is he the type to come over the top with AA/KK? We are very deep here, so I'd think he would hesitate to take that line, but you're the better judge. If he's aggro enough to 3bet you with a one pair type hand, then you're better off to just call.

I don't think that his range needs to be just AA,KK. I would think that TT+, AQ+ and most all of those hands will c-bet this flop. We want to get paid big here when we hit, so I say based on your read of his aggression level you should raise.

A raise gives us the initiative, as well as sets up a bigger pot for when we hit. We also have a good chance of folding out pp's in his range we are losing to. If he 3-bets big/jams you can safely fold. I'm basing this a lot on your read that he "makes questionable calls" and is not "crazy aggro spewtard".

So, bottom line. We pick up some fold equity, narrow his range, and build a bigger pot for us with a c/r as opposed to a c/c.

call and lead out any turn. If he cbets 100% of the time then he'll be reluctant to continue the hand with nothing. c/c his flop bet is way scarier than c/r or leading IMO. I don't hate the call pre, I don't like it either though.

If you lead flop he might reraise you and put you in a ****ty spot

If you c/r he might rr with AA or KK and put you in a ****ty spot

If you c/c and then check a blank turn he knows you don't have anything.

But if you c/c then lead the turn on ANY card for a good amount you will confuse the **** out of him forcing him to make a mistake. If he's a thinking player then he might even devalue AA/KK and will totally lose confidence in AK or TT JJ etc.

Obviously you're just hoping you make your hand but if he doesn't have AA or KK its a good chance he'll fold.

I like a small raise. It builds the pot and potentially disguises our hand.The only down side is if we get blown off the hand with a flop 3bet. Even so, I'm raising to $80 and probably not folding if 3bet. The only band he has that has us in bad shape is QQ as the preflop 3bet narrows his range considerably at this level of play.

Your open pre is fine. Folding is fine, too. It's pretty borderline.

I guess if you're opening KTs second to act, you also have to call the weird small 3-bet. It's for such a small % of stacks and you have strong direct odds; it's just a bummer that villain's range includes plenty of hands that have you crushed/dominated and you're oop for the entire hand.

As played - and although I might have played it differently, your line is obviously totally fine so far - I think the rest of the hand plays itself. I would put in a massive raise on the flop. You have an absolute monster. You could get him to fold some one pair hands including JJ and TT (less likely). Even AK is beating you now, and having him fold that is an excellent outcome, too - AK has 46% equity in the pot you'd be quite happy to capture.

It's a large raise, but I'd go to 140. If he calls, you have 360 left in stacks and the turn pot will be ~340 and you will then slightly overshove every turn with plenty of equity and another opportunity to get him to fold facing a scary large bet.

Calling seems less profitable for a lot of reasons. I can name a bunch:

a) If you call and whiff the turn, your equity decreases a ton.

b) You're out of position, and it will be very hard to extract if you do hit.

c) Calling doesn't leverage fold equity or the threat of a future all-in. A large flop raise and then a turn shove is a very powerful combination of fold equity and hand equity.

d) Your hand looks like a pair or draw if you call because you're going to be raising this flop with stronger hands and draws. If then turn is a and you go for a check/raise, it's an easy fold for villain with a lot of hands.

e) You allow villain to control the hand. If you call now, you're probably checking any turn. And villain can check the turn behind. If you decide to call flop and then bet the turn, villain can choose to call instead of raise. Either way, a flop call gives villain control over the pot size and effectively over the turn and the profitability of the hand for your draw.

Ya I'd say above nailed the crap out of it. The villian is almost always c betting which makes the check raise correct. I especiall like the follow up as to why we want to check raise. Nice post.

Thumbs up!

i actually like a c/r here simply bc he probably has a very high cbet% being a loose player therefore will be AK AJ and even small pairs that we can easuly bluff out

also he will probably 3bet with AA or KK or AQ allowing us to 4bet ship th eflop

i love donk leading but here i feel he will cbe 100% of the time


regardless get it in on the flop, it will give us a loose image we can exploit and get th ebig stack on tilt so we can stack him again ext time for 1000

i like c/r get it in, raise flop to 115

I suggested small raise earlier but I can see the reasons for a larger raise given stack sizes. 100-120 seems fine

Good comments so far and mostly in line with my thinking. As played I raise to $105 and V flats.

Turn ($263): 6

Hero?

Lead out for $135, and fold if V comes over the top. V's range for a pfr and called flop c/r is probably TPGK or an overpair, but also could include some Ax spades. If the former, he's likely to call a 1/2 psb (which gives you good pot odds to hit), and if the latter leading gives you some FE. That scenario also lets you get away from the hand with 100 bb behind if you miss, and sets up an easy river shove if you hit or if live reads indicate you still have sufficient FE. Your hand is overrepped, so if V calls he likely won't put you on a gutshot or flush when you river a J or spade, and likely will stack off.

C/c flop and turn. b/c if you hit or c/f if you miss

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Fold pre, not close.

Check flop, raise to 140. Shove turn.

(Edit, also if you're uncomfortable putting in 500 in with lines like this, you should fold pre. this is seriously one of the best flops for your hand).

Hero checks. V grabs some greens and throws out $150. Hero?

Flip a coin. You're getting pretty much the exact price you need to call. I suppose you'll get the rest if you catch, which will offset the times he's got a set and you catch a pairing spade or catch a K and decide to pay off what's left on the river

all of this

Why are u c/r flop then ch turn? U need to continue and lead turn IMO

Can u range villain at all? Would he play AA-KKthis way? AQs? Would he flat flop with QQ?

I was planning on c/shoving if he put out a small bet (less than $120 or so). Unfortunately he bet the perfect amount that leaves almost no FE unless he is totally bluffing, which seems pretty unlikely after he calls my flop c/r. After I raised the flop I immediately regretted not going to $135-140 and shoving any turn card when I miss or milking it when I hit.

Pre-flop I thought his range would be really wide, but after calling the flop c/r I thought his range was QQ+/AQs/AJss, maybe KQs but less likely to be 3b that one even from button.

c/r > c/c c/jam > donk >>>>>>> c/c lead turn >>>>>>>>> c/f

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