This hand happened a few days ago and its been bothering me a bit.

I'm going to obfuscate some details here as I expect this forum is read by folks at this casino.

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Setup: Midweek, and mid evening. Casino is mostly full with an occasional list for the 1/2NL games.

V1 ($150, UTG+2): Late 40s WG who is a level 1 player and who tries to play level 2 but almost always gets the read wrong. Constant loser in the game. Action player as he will make random, poorly sized, bets and raises when he spazzes out.

V2 ($145, UTG+1): Late 40s Asian guy. Mostly plays weak/tight but occasionally (maybe once an hour or less) spazzes out. These spazzes can be the nuts, or they can be something else, but its rarely a pure bluff. Also, sometimes slow plays monsters.

V3 ($250, SB): 30s WG who is a reg. Plays well generally, and plays almost daily, but doubtful he has the patience to be a winner. Way too active in multiway pots. E.g. Recently caught bluffing into 3 players OTR for 50bb bet which was 1.5 pot on a KJ2r6sJr river (he turbo mucked as soon as he was called, so he had complete air).

V4 ($17, CO): 70s WG. Playing bingo.

Hero (Covers table, HJ): MAWG. Playing pretty snug and not really paying much attention. Actually I was pretty tired and probably should have just gone home. Nut mining and not putting my stack at risk while I decide to go home.

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Preflop: UTG folds, V2 limps. V1 makes it $15 (his standard). Vx ($100) calls, Vy ($80) calls. Hero looks down at 76 and calls. V4 announces "All In". Folds to V3 who calls, and folds to V2.

V2 pauses for a second to consider his action, and while he does this V1 out of turn says, "Raise to $60". Dealer says, "no you cant raise", but for the moment neglects that the action should be on V2. But all is well as V2 just calls and then V1 calls. Vx, Vy and Hero all call.

V3 says to V1, "Well, that sir is called a tell." There is some banter around this whilst we wait for the flop.

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Flop ($114): K 7 6

V3 quickly checks. V2 quickly shoves all in for $128. V1 tanks for about 20-30s and then folds. Vx and Vy quickly fold.

To Hero, its $114 in the main pot (V2 and V4 will see the river) and $128 in the side pot. V3 still has action and has $233 left. Its $128 to call.

Hero tanks for a while. After about a minute, Hero says, "Sorry guys, I need a minute here, I have an actual hand."

V3 says, "Take your time, I do too and I'll need all the time you can give me."

Hero tanks a little longer and.... ???

Thoughts on all aspects appreciated.

So we've got v3 left with $235 to go.
You left with $covers.
V4 who doesn't really matter as his cards are close to 100% random.
V2 who shoved all in otf for a pot sized bet.

Pre seems fine, so we'll move past that.

Lets start with V2.
V2 can have 77, 66, 76s, 98s, 54s, AKs, AKo. Can he has 54o? 76o? 98o? Apparently he can also have KK here.

V3 should be mostly the same thing here. 77, 66, 76s, 98s, 54s, AKs, AKo. Can he have 54o? 76o? 98o? I suspect that he never has KK here, right?

Without the talking I think this is an easy cram against V2 who can tool out sometimes with less than premiums hands. Sure he sometimes has the top of his range, but we're only losing to 5 combos. So be it.

But the talking makes V2 stronger imo. Mostly 77/66, AKs, and 98s imo.

If we say that:
V4 has 100% of hands : 7.0%
You have 76ss : 39%
V2 has 77, 66, 54s, 98s, AKs, half the AKo, and 1x KK : 30.8%
V3 has 77, 66, 54s, 98s, AKo, AKs : 23.1%

Seems like a decent gii spot.

I think you're leaving out all the K7 and K6 hands (not that there are many).

I wouldn't ever consider calling with those pre flop.

Any reads on how loose the are pre?

Both V2 and V3 can have K7s and K6s here.

Unsure if K7o or K6o are there.

The problem is, both of these guys are the types that might just YOLO it from late position preflop once V4 ships it knowing that V1 cannot re-pop it.

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I think the remaining 76s and 76o combos are available too.

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ETA: I don't think V2 takes this line OTF with 54 or 98.

Standard play pre-flop from hero. No change. A case could be made for 3! the first time around before V4 goes all-in. However, I prefer to call in this spot usually.

Based on stack sizes, I typically see two options. Fold or Raise. I really don't like calling with stack this short. I see it much better to put V3 all-in than flatting the flop bet from V2. I think you can add KQs and KJs to both V2 and V3 and potentially KQ/Jo.

V2 open limped then wanted to reraise preflop (assuming his preflop chat wasn't a play). Assuming he doesn't do a ton of l/rr pre I think he has AX KX type hands he rates to be ahead of V4's ATC shove. I think he'd flat to see a flop with other deeper stacks involved if he had SC or pocket pairs, hope to hit a set or two pair or big draw and somehow get paid by hero or V3. I guess he could limp 99-22 and want to gii pre vs V4 too though. So V2 range looks like 77 66 KJ KT K9s-K2s on the flop. He's hugely weighted to KX since he doesn't limp K7o or K6o and there are so few combos of K7s K6s 77 66 given you hold 76s.

I think V3's chat is intended to put you off shoving because he has a reasonable but non-nut hand. I actually think he would say nothing if he had 2pair+ hoping not to scare any of your KX away. Only 2pair V3 might give this chat with is your hand, 76 because he's concerned you have better after your chat.

I think I'd call and give V3 the best chance to continue his KX. Obviously call his shove and gii on all turns.

Ok. Your player pool, your reads. I'll roll with them.

But can you clarify a bit more about v2 what sorts of hands you'd see in the 'something else' category here?

He overplays stuff like overpairs, 2p on 1-liner boards. Best way to put it is if he thinks its effectively the nuts (even tho it might be irrational to think that) then he could play it that way.

I don't think I've ever see him run a complete bluff.

Kindly inform the dealer that you would like to wager all of your betting units.

After the hand kindly inform v3 that he should not speak in such a way as to influence action in a multiway pot.

read the OP a bunch of times and can't figure out what the hard decision is post-flop. You called 8.5bb pre with a suited connector when no one is deep and flopped 2 pair in a 1-2 spr pot - were you trying to flop better?

all in. (or I guess call and gii on turn but it's basically the same thing)

Its not that I was trying to flop better. Its that I was trying to flop great against V1. But when V2 is acting like he flopped the world, I'm trying to decide whether I need to pay him off.

I'm not worried about V3 at all. If he's out flopped me, great, I'll happily pay him. I have his range completely crushed and I'm not folding to him (alone).

V2 looked like he might have wanted to go for a limp/raise and re-pop it preflop.

V2 lead into the PFR'r in a situation where the PFR'r looks like he has KK or AA.

V2 also lead into 5 other players (who haven't acted yet) for his stack.

Nobody want's to give V2 credit for an actual hand here?

it's only a PSB, you said he can randomly spazz, the board is pretty dry and he snap shipped = not giving him credit for a big hand here no

I am getting it in at this point. V3's talk is not nearly enough for me to put him on a hand at this point. In fact, I would interpret it as a sign of weakness more than strength.

Given V1's raise & attempted re-raise preflop, I would think V2 would assume he will be betting this flop. If V2 nailed this flop, he would be in the perfect situation to check raise (or let everyone else call V1's shove) the whole field after V1 bets. Open jamming seems like it is running the risk of scaring everyone off at this point.

Sorry I totally misread the chat preflop and thought V2 was wanting to reraise preflop rather than V1. Partly because V1 is utg+2 and V2 is utg+1 but mainly because I'm a dumbass.

With the correct reading of the OP I see why you think V2 might be strong here.

However, almost whatever hand V2 has he has made a mistake with the donk shove. Weak KX can't be called by worse, 2pair+ scares away customers and like AriesRam says is happy to x/r, 98 can't beat V4. The only thing that makes any sense is Ace-high: it can force out everyone and then beat V4 at showdown. V2 would know he is blocking some combos of AA and AK, the most likely hands for V1 to want to reraise pre and then be able to gii on flop. It's possible but pretty unlikely.

Still, everything else is unlikely too. Where there is a null range there is often some sort of spaz going on so I guess that puts some 2pair+ back in V2's range but also some KX.... Pffffff... I don't know.....

It's a weird spot but I'd still call it.