This was the second hand I had been at the table so I I have no reads on villain2 at all. Villain 1 is a somewhat nitty old dude that I have played with several times before.

Hero UTG ($200)
V2 MP (Covers)
V1 SB (Covers)

Hero is UTG and dealt:54

Pre-flop:
Hero limps, 3 other limpers including V2, V1 calls from SB, BB checks.

Flop ($11): 954
SB bets $7, BB calls $7, Hero raises to $26, V2 re-raises to $60, SB tank calls, BB folds, Hero...?

Fold pre.

No idea now. It is your second hand at the table. Lots of unknowns. What do you like about 5 high OOP?

I like the limp there, maybe 3x raise if the table isn't aggro.. The biggest question on flop is what the SB has probably. I would be worried about 9's maybe from MP but if they were first to act I don't know if they would limp vs raising. SB would be reraising there with a made hand imo. I would fold even though it is possible your hand is good at the moment..

That's a really tough spot with no reads. I think there's a decent chance you are ahead here alot of the time, but its really hard to know without knowing something about villain 2. What position did he limp from? Is he likely to be 3-betting with a drawing hand here? Is the nitty old guy likely to be on a big draw here or would he only call with a better two pair hand? (I think we can assume with the tank that he's not on a set)

With no information on the players I'd probably fold. There will be better spots to stack off later than this.

I do not limp hands like that from EP until I can describe all players in the game - and neither should you.

what does v2 look like? what is he wearing? those are literally the things i would use in my decision at the table. we have to take them with a grain of salt, but they can sway you the right way.

how nitty is v1? what is his range for calling v2's raise OTF here based on you reads?

this is a specific reads situation and a tough decision. neither folding nor shoving is likely to be a horrible choice. without a good read on v2 i wouldn't advocate flat calling.

I have SB on tpgk or flush draw. MP I guess could have the nfd or a combo draw, but sets are definitely possible (only 2 combos and maybe 3 combos of 99 that we can count as 1-2 because he sometimes raises pre with 99). I don't see them having many 95/94 here, especially not SB after tank calling.

I shove expecting to be beat quite often (but certainly getting called by worse and having some FE).

Calling is the only thing I don't like on this flop.

BTW... what do we mean here?

I mean that I believe shove is marginally +EV, but expect to lose like 50-60% of the time when called.

MP is a middle aged white guy wearing a t-shirt and baseball cap. V1 is nitty to the point where he will probably only bet top pair or better, although I have seen him lead with a flush draw before. When he flat calls the 3bet from MP, I am almost certain that he is on a draw.

V1 in this hand is also V1 from this hand:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...t-now-1035510/

we lose to 3 hands, 44, 55, 99. We have blockers for two of those, and only 100bbs. Him having a HUGE combo draw (67/32dd) is annoying too, but cmon, we have 100bbs and the best hand here almost always.

given the results of the hand you linked, i would not describe v1 as nitty.

regardless, i fold.

if v2 was a mid-20s kid with a ball cap who looked baller i would stack off. especially because we can treat v1's $60 as dead money.

even so i can't put much else in v2's flop 3betting range without a read. as unlikely as 44 and 55 may be, i think sets make up the majority of v2's range, along with the occasional combo draw. all together our equity is pretty vs. v2.

I haven't read other hand with same villain so I'm just going readless. A physical description would be better, but TT-JJ, A9, AXdd, 67, 45 all have to be in a potential range. It may not be possible to negate 59s/94s if he was old and like pretty suited cards.

Three choices and I would bet they are all pretty similar EV

Stop and go
Fold
Shove

This is kinda what you get for limping this oop. Since you did, then in the spirit of gambling... just shove. If you're not willing to shove this than... you probably shouldn't limp in with it.

That all being said - having bottom two here is actually better than top and bottom pair (say what???). It just pays easier. Imagine if you had top and bottom pair and say this action.. Any one calling with A9 would have an extra few outs by pairing the middle pair. Here.. you could be looking at an overpair or something line 89, A9 etc.. Hope they are one a draw of some kind. If you call and then shove a non diamond turn... seems ok to me.

I think since you could shove all in and get called in two spots (by flush draw or 36 straight draw) you probably have enough equity for this.

Yeah, I ended up shoving.

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