Local Casino 1/2 ~200eff

Just arrived at the spot significantly drunk and stoned. with a buddie
Unfortunately we are placed on the same table.
Hes V3 and hes a total bad reg nit.
No reads on anyone who is significantly involved in the hand.

V1 UTG (~200) 50s male bald with glasses seems ambitious and unexperienced probably a recfish never seen him before.

V2 UTG+1 (~300) 40s asian have played with maybe five times, super sick good player, LAG IP, TAG upfront, puts pressure, attacks weakness, views me as too LAGgy who has a lot to learn.

V3 UTG+2 (~150) my friend who runs private game have played him every week for a year and a half now. Super nitty. Not very good (but thinks he is), will stand up and stare down the board and villians for minutes after river bets before usually making wrong decision.

V4 MP (~200) young middle eastern kid, seems pretty clueless, never seen him before, looks like he plays pretty scared.

Hero HJ (~200) no image just sat down, but I give off loose aggro image almost instantly, I dont ever say much though

Theres two more villians involved in the hand, in CO and BTN, both with larger stacks ~400 both look like serious players but havent seen them before.

Action: V1 UTG raises to 10
V2 UTG+1 calls, V3 UTG+2 calls, V4 MP calls, Hero HJ calls with 35, CO calls, BTN calls.

7-ways to the Flop ($65) A 4 Q

V1 cbets 30, V2 calls, V3 folds, V4 calls, Hero calls, CO folds, BTN folds

4-ways to the Turn ($185) A

V1 checks, V2 checks, V4 checks, Hero checks

4-ways to the River (185) 2

V1 bets 160 and is All.In, V2 mucks, V3 calls and is All.In, Hero?

anyone raising/shoving flop? seems really terrible, although it looks like there might be FE

Why do you think gii on flop is bad?
It seems the spot you are in now is worse...

true dat, just cuz two players to my left havent acted so could be sitting on monsters and I think even NFD and aces call me

You have V3 folding flop and calling river.

mb thats v4

fold pre, raise flop

This is exactly why you fold pre. This is basically a dream flop for you hand and you still don't know how to make money with it.

On the flop all our options actually suck. But calling is the worst. I doubt you're getting enough value from your draws when you actually make them even if you are good 100% of the time. But you have reverse implied odds because you have the nut low flush draw. You are paying off anyone else with hearts and even though that happens rarely, making your draw happens rarely too. Losing your stack instead of winning the pot one in whatever times really slashes your expectation.

Folding is bad because we have 12 outs. So raise. Villain likely has Ax with a decent kicker. Maybe he can lay it down. If not then maybe someone else folds. With a combo draw you can't be in too bad shape against any one hand (but you can be crushed by multiple hands)

Raising is bad too and we are in a stupid spot where all our options are bad because we didn't fold pre

Very solid stuff I like this analysis

PF I knew it was a bad idea to call, but then I remembered I was drunk and stoned playing llsnl with some half-decent implied odds for stacking multiple villians (i got the feeling this table was pretty loose-bad as most here are) and I couldnt believe all the calls ahead of me with likely more to come behind, however I think a crucial piece of info is the fact that the people to act behind me after I flat pre are likely to squeeze this ******ed pot

OTF In my drunken haze I actually remember I didnt want to blow people out with a shove in case I smashed the straight flush (lolbad) or turned the straight, and I didnt want to get it in drawing next to dead with a higher FD (a lot of the players here will call with that)

Youre right flop raise is good, and I like this "With a combo draw you can't be in too bad shape against any one hand (but you can be crushed by multiple hands)"


AP?

I agree fully with folding pre. Position and odds don't make up for 53s.

As played, on river, I think you no choice but to call.

I do think you have a second best hand often enough, but not so often that you can fold. I would guess V4 can have and call off with a bunch of Ax, as well as better hands. V1 is a bit more likely to have AA, AQ, but he also has AT, AJ, etc.

What makes a table loose/bad is stuff like people calling raises with 53s

well put that was along the lines of my (hazey) thinking at the time

lmao aint that true

I tend to fall into these moments thinking since most of these villians dont have fold buttons post I can make my hand work profitably if I smash it

I forget this isnt the best way to take advantage of their general loose/bad-ness

turn check really threw me off too when it comes to trying to range V1 on river, he basically never checks turns without a boat does he?

DKBarrel I know youd never find yourself in this spot (apparently) but AP? puke-fold or puke-call

I'd call. I don't think it's a puke decision either even though turn checking around is pretty suspicious. Not crazy to think both have Ax or V1 is taking the worst bluff line possible with hearts.

no its not half crazy to think that at all

I was so inebriated that I actually almost folded going with my gut, cuz I tell ya, V4 really sent scared money vibes to me, so I was putting him on quads lol (jk, but a boat for sure)

but then I remembered Im here to play poker and I have to call cuz Im ******ed enough to get in this spot
V1 just mucked once V4 showed the AQ, I wish they made him show though, why wasnt the river 2h? GG fold pre

I did make one solid move though, I left instead of rebuying

Apparently my buddie went on to get kicked out cuz in his drunken stupor he couldnt shut up about his private game and the casino doesnt appreciate that

He walked over to the other casino (5mins away) for some 2/5 omaha and won almost a grand, too funny

Ship flop
Fold pre

and snap call river

shipIt, V4 seemed so scared he probably folds his top 2 to the flop ship

Fold pre
Raise flop
Fold river

Obviously a boat out there, what does someone call with with someone to act if not a boat? Maybe AK once in a blue moon but AK doesn't play the hand like this so cross that off the range list.

it's a snap fold with a bet and a call on the river, if just a bet we have to sigh-call the river.

It's not even close to a call.

if you are a run it up warrior, i appreciate that you didn´t lose faith in the good ol 53s. you got rewarded for that too unless you fold otr...

results were posted bro, no i didnt fold river obv, I thought initially I didnt fold it just cuz I was smashed out of my face but as has been discussed its the right call anyways

however...with that said...as per posted results...no...no i did not get rewarded for it...

whats a run it up warrior, is that from those youtube videos?

Do you worry about getting it in on the flop against a range of hands with which we're drawing very thin? Like Ax and a better heart draw, etc?

Sure, we have the straight flush wheel draw, which is badass, but I think when we ship this kind of flop in this situation, we don't get enough folds and we often see how little equity we can have. Lack of fold equity is my top concern, and getting it in with very little equity is a close second.

I feel a flop shove exacerbates the mistake of playing pre.

What do you think man?

thats my thinking at the time, these guys dont often fold FD and Aces to a potsize flop shove