9 handed 1/2 table

H covers: been at table for 15 mins, im utg +1 with QsJs raise to 8

Utg+2 (200) calls: young guy, first hand he is in, got the feeling he is somewhat competent (lol sample size)

BB (80$) calls: young guy maybe 18-20 years old, has vpiped 100% and doesnt seem to have much of a clue (lol sample size)

Flop (25$) Td3s3d

X, i bet 10$, utg+2 calls, bb calls

Turn (65$) Td3s3d Qh

X, i check, utg+2 bets 26$, bb calls ( he has like 35$ left after the call), H?

I would have barreled turn. AP I probably just rip it.

You would rip into utg+2? He started the hand with 200$

Yes. Your shove will be a pot sized bet. We can easily have the best hand here and IP players will often stab at turns after a c-bet and a check. He rarely has 3x. We block AQ/KQ/QT and he would often 3b AQ and TT. He has lots of Tx/draws/combo draws.

Shove for value and protection. Calling will make for difficult river decisions.

Agree that I would have bet turn here, don't love giving up the betting lead after making TP and especially not on a card I would expect IP to check back a lot. As played, I would call.

I also think I would check flop OOP multiway. UTG2 should have a pretty strong range when he flats EP vs EP and I hate running airball bluffs against clueless 100% VPIP shortstacks. I wouldn't trust him to fold anything that beats QJ high.

We would never be shoving turn as a bluff here. He’s clearly never folding better. We occasionally have to value-own ourselves but he has enough inferior holdings in his range with equity.

Im folding

check flop

as played call turn

This was my first thought ... but fatmanonguitar convinced me his play is probably better. UTG+2 has a bunch of draws and position which makes a lot of rivers annoying, and we really don't want the tiny stack to not put the money in. Raising just enough so BB is AI makes river SPR super annoying.

Bet flop followed by x/shove turn is also pretty strong, can even see KQ finding a fold although I think that kind of hand is less likely given the turn sizing. All the draws hate life that they bet, which is great.


Also if we do bet flop difference between 8 and 10 is significant, esp. if we are betting this hand. But would mostly check flop, esp. vs. BB (much rather bet AJ).

Check flop. Bet turn.

AP, jam turn.

Am I crazy, or wouldn't the pot be $55 on the turn, not $65?

If my math is right, you'll be jamming $156 into $107. Seems reasonable to me, with top pair on a two-tone, low-paired board with two Broadway cards, when BB just flats the $26, and UTG2 could have a draw or just total air after we check.

Yeah your right, its 55$ on the turn my bad

I like the small flop bet to clear out a lot of the Ax and Kx holdings, especially the ones that dominate you when you hit (ie AJ/KQ/KJ) - plus, you don't have to be overly concerned about anyone having a 3, and you can put tremendous pressure on medium pairs on later streets (you can consider barrelling any A/K/Q/J/9/spade)

The decision point that I'm least sure about is whether to bet or check the turn now that you get two flop calls. That's a little concerning but at the same time it's now a simple target-a-Ten-or-a-draw game and they may just check through. It's close, I'm leaning bet but don't hate the check.

As played yeah I like to rip it here. The flop bet means that you shouldn't be behind +2 much here at all - he probably has a flush draw - and I'd rather get money in ahead now.

Damnn ok most people are jamming

In game i was thinking between calling and folding lol

Utg+2 ended up having QT, maybe he folds to a jam on the turn? Dunno really

Anyways i called turn and River was Qd, gg for me

Just clarifying - he rivered Q's full of T's, so you lost with Q's full of 3's, correct?

If he had QT, there's a non-zero percent chance he'd fold to your turn jam, if he thinks we'd only do that with over-pairs to the board, when the 33 on board counterfeits his 2P.

There's also a non-zero percent chance he just sees that he has top 2, and he ain't folding top 2 for nobody.

Thinking about his entire range, and the BB's entire range, QJ should be good here a lot, the way this was played.

There's a non-zero percent chance, and probably a not all that small chance, that either UTG2 or the BB would raise AQ or KQ pre.

Neither should have very much 3x in their range, and there's a much larger than zero percent chance that if either of them did, we'd have heard about it by way of a raise on the flop.

Likewise, there's a non-zero percent chance either of them might raise QT on the flop, to "see where they're at" with top pair, decent kicker.

Even if we never bothered to think about any of that, if we flat call turn and river a boat, we're just going to lose a lot of money to QT, and the only question is how much. If we jam, and he has QT, we're not drawing dead. Besides spiking a J to win, we can also spike one of the two remaining 3's to chop.

Look at it this way, would you feel any better, or worse, if he had AQ or KQ, and you chopped (or lost on a brick), knowing he might have folded to a turn jam?

The 1.5x over-bet jam on the turn is going to fold out some better Qx sometimes, get called by some worse value sometimes, get called by some better value sometimes, and sometimes you'll get called by some fish on a flush or straight draw - and he'll f**king get there.

Don't dwell on it too much. Jamming would be good, not always great, calling probably isn't terrible.

what'd you do otr? i think you should lead (on the Qd) im just not sure of the amount. turn both decisions are kind of interesting

River sb went allin for 35$, i flat hoping to drag along utg+2, he shoved obv and i called

Sb had T8o lol

This hand is a good cbet in theory having pre draws around the ten with little showdown value. However in practice trying to bluff low limit fish is futile. They just call with A7 no draw cause fish gonna fish.

Line is weird. I would not have bet flop with two naked overs 3-ways. And then once we hit TP we're checking? Short stack makes it weird too. I'm probably just check-call mode here if it goes T-3-3-Q-X depending on bet sizing.