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05-12-2014 , 03:25 PM
Hey guys!

6-handed game with some loose passive fish who are not de4d yet. LAWLZ

Hero/CO(550) Young 20s white playing snug and aggro shown down solid holdings.

V1/UTG1(90) Middle-aged white lady, total rec-f1sh. have played with her once before and she is super passive and loose, limp-calling hands such as 42o. she only bets/raises a very nutty range.

V2/BB(200) MAWG, unkown seems rec. sat down 20 mins ago.

2 limps and hero makes it 12 widda KQ

both Vs call.

FLOP(38) 874

Checks to hero who bets 20
Both call

TURN(98) 7

Checks thru

RIVER(98) J

V2 checks
V1 bets 20
Hero?

She has aprox 45 behind. Shes so passive and I have seen her lead super small like 1/4th pot with 2nd nut type hands. I think she only has flushes and boats in her range.

Can we make a value raise here?
Best to just flat?

I R NIT?
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05-12-2014 , 03:27 PM
16 combos of 56 is in this recfish's range.
so are a bunch of sevens.

get the money in. If you're wrong, it's 45B.
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05-12-2014 , 03:30 PM
If she'd have just bet $65 you'd be calling all day, and also as stated above tons of stuff you beat in her ranges (all lower flushes, lots of 7s, lots of straights).

Get the money in here. If she had $400 behind or something might be a gross spot if you get 3 bet but you'll be missing value if you just flat here.
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05-12-2014 , 03:39 PM
I don't think this V is capable of betting this river as thin as trip 7s and straights, I think her lead is indicative of flushes and boats only.
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05-12-2014 , 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
I don't think this V is capable of betting this river as thin as trip 7s and straights, I think her lead is indicative of flushes and boats only.
Seems like you have your answer then.
Always need to account for lollive poker and spazz factor.

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05-12-2014 , 04:00 PM
If you strongly don't think that she leads small with A7, 56, 910, smaller flushes, etc here, then that is your answer right there. However, since you have only played with her once before, I feel that it is unlikely to have such a narrow range on her betting patterns with each of those hands.
Also, how many boats could she be representing here? Is she the type of player to just call two pair (or a set) on such a draw heavy flop in a 3 way pot?
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05-12-2014 , 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by de4df1sh
I don't think this V is capable of betting this river as thin as trip 7s and straights, I think her lead is indicative of flushes and boats only.
Does that include ALL flushes? Would need to stove a range of ALL flushes and boats vs your hand and see how it holds up, but just off the top of my head I think we've enough equity to stick it in.
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05-12-2014 , 04:09 PM
many bad players stop looking for hands that beat them once they hit a certain hand strength. Can't tell you how many times I've heard "I didn't even notice the river brought a flush" after someone flops a straight.

There's a guy in my home game that's never folding once he has two pair. Never. He says it out loud. Unfortunately for him, his definition of "2 pair" includes a pair in his hand and one on the board.
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05-12-2014 , 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by mtagliaf
many bad players stop looking for hands that beat them once they hit a certain hand strength. Can't tell you how many times I've heard "I didn't even notice the river brought a flush" after someone flops a straight.

There's a guy in my home game that's never folding once he has two pair. Never. He says it out loud. Unfortunately for him, his definition of "2 pair" includes a pair in his hand and one on the board.
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