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01-09-2013 , 09:56 AM
All players involved in pot have been at table for over an hour.

Villain 1: calls lots of my raises, likes Ax
Villain 2: winning, tight, has shown only AA
Villain 3: has shown three small pairs in last hour and complains that big flops are ruining his small pairs. Earlier, lost his stack (about 200) to V2 with KK vs AA

$1/2 NL (9 handed)

UTG Hero ($295)
V1 ($350)
V2 ($500)
MP
V3 ($171)
CO
Button
SB
BB

Hero is dealt 6d5d

Hero raises to 7, V1 calls, V2 raises to $25, fold, V3 calls, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls, V1 calls

Flop ($103) 6,6,4
Hero cheerfully says "check to" V1, V1 checks, V2 bets $25, V3 shoves all-in

V2 and V3 almost certainly have overpairs. There's a slight chance V3 has 44, and V1 probably has nothing.

Should I shove or just call 146 (slightly over half my stack). I've been trying to win more with my big hands so I'm thinking just call.
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01-09-2013 , 10:07 AM
Fold preflop given that you're UTG. I like opening this hand in late position but this opening it UTG isn't going to be profitable for you. If someone forced me to open I would also fold o his 3-bet.

But yeah I like flatting. It's not like your hand is vulnerable since they likely have 2 outs each.
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01-09-2013 , 10:07 AM
You check calling 146 seems pretty strong either way Imo. I guess calling with the odds may get one other player in with an over pair but I'm still shipping the turn. V2 betting 25 into a pot of 100 doesn't seem to strong anyways so I doubt he calls an all-in.
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01-09-2013 , 10:09 AM
fold pre
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01-09-2013 , 12:22 PM
I doubt V2's calling range is that different here if you call or raise, IMO.

So, if you think they both have overpairs, all-in would be the only logical play.

I think V3 may be a little stronger than you think, though. V2 is probably an overpair.
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01-09-2013 , 12:54 PM
Fold preflop the first time (we've had a few of these suited connectors in EP threads recently, read those). Why did we raise; what's your thought process here? At most normal loosish tables all we are going to do is created a bloated multiway pot OOP where we have 6 high and are very unlikely to flop the best hand (best hand wins in very multiway pots). I also fold to the 3bet. Our implied odds against V2 are only ~11:1 so not good, and far less against shorter V3; even though this is shaping up to be a 3+ way pot, we're OOP and I just don't think we're deep enough.

As played, I just call the flop and hope V1 continues along. Anything we do here will be strong, but calling could look like a small overpair that ain't willing to fold yet. No reason to shove just in case V1 manages a hero fold.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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01-09-2013 , 01:03 PM
raising utg with 56 is the worst way to play the hand folding > Limp > raise. and if you limp, fold to any raise. as played flat because the 3bettor's cb was so weak i doubt he has anything he's willing to stack off with. maybe V1 will get stubborn with 77-10s, A4, 57, 35, etc.
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01-09-2013 , 01:08 PM
preflop is pretty awful. That's about all I can say on that.

Flop- there isn't much harm in calling on the flop if there isn't a flush draw out there, which I didn't read. You'll look like a monster no matter what, but you can givethem a chance to play.
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01-09-2013 , 04:12 PM
I don't think it really matters whether you call or push. They are either committed to the hand or are ready to get out. I would call just in case. This one kinda plays itself no matter what the result.
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01-09-2013 , 04:33 PM
listen to the others on pre flop play. All i have to say is think about why you are raising and what you are trying to accomplish. I don't think you could come up with enough +ev reasons why you raised and its just more of a clicking buttons kind of play.

I guess you can call to try to keep some dominated hands in but its very doubtfull
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01-09-2013 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
Fold preflop the first time (we've had a few of these suited connectors in EP threads recently, read those). Why did we raise; what's your thought process here? At most normal loosish tables all we are going to do is created a bloated multiway pot OOP where we have 6 high and are very unlikely to flop the best hand (best hand wins in very multiway pots). I also fold to the 3bet. Our implied odds against V2 are only ~11:1 so not good, and far less against shorter V3; even though this is shaping up to be a 3+ way pot, we're OOP and I just don't think we're deep enough.

As played, I just call the flop and hope V1 continues along. Anything we do here will be strong, but calling could look like a small overpair that ain't willing to fold yet. No reason to shove just in case V1 manages a hero fold.

GcluelessNLnoobG
Seems like implied odds are a lot higher than 11:1 here.
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01-09-2013 , 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TwoMoos
Seems like implied odds are a lot higher than 11:1 here.
Ya, I think you're right. I think we have $287 left and have to call $17 more, so more upwards of 16:1 or whatever. But still, not fistpumpy...
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