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Originally Posted by Calldown88
And flop "hitting our range" isn't a reason to bet in every case. Its more of a reason to float wider/xr as a preflop caller as a bluff, or a reason to bet when you have air as pfr.
It isnt a reason to bet when you flop a mediocre hand. You have plenty of qx in your range to call down those hands. You'll bet and take it down here if your hand is good. If your hand is no good you probably just put in a bet with 8% equity.
2 over cards is a lot different from 1. In most cases on K/Q/J high flops with 1 over a bet would be a lot more reasonable. I don't really see how you can come in this thread with a "lol why scared of betting when over cards come out? Limp pre instead" mindset. There's a lot of terrible info in lots of these threads really, it's a good forum for discussion but you can't take the word of anyone around here as gospel. Checking here vs the average opponent is as basic as it gets.
Like yours?
Let's break this down:
1) Of course not, it's impossible for anything to work in "every" case in poker since people aren't playing optimally, so there are always deviations/exploitations we can make to make our action more +EV.
2 & 3) So when you bet flops, you mostly have strong hands and bluffs, and when you check you mostly have mediocre hands. That's sounds like a solid overall strategy.
4) What? There are many worse hands that can call us on this flop and we definitely have more than 8% equity. Let's see. AJ, any two lol sooted combos in the deck, J10, 109, gutshots, underpairs that are nonbelievers.
99.99% of the live population aren't capable of exploiting OP for cbetting 1010 here. They don't bluff-raise anywhere near the optimal amount, hence OP can realize all his equity IP and at the same time deny insane amounts of equity vs OOP which both increases the EV of his bet. In theory this isn't supposed to be a cbet for obvious reasons but we arent playing vs an optimal/aggressive bot, we're playing against guys that have no clue what they're doing and don't wreck our cbet strategies with an aggressive check-raise strategy that counters a strat that bets too many hands otf.
Betting will be very +EV here, and at the worst it will have the same EV as checking. Realistically, it's probably somewhat higher.
And fwiw I believe that people cbetting way too much is among the top and most common leaks, probably the #1 most common leak. The cbet here is absolutely more than fine. I'm indifferent to checking but lmfao at checking being as basic as it gets.
Last edited by Minatorr; 07-11-2019 at 06:06 PM.