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1/2: Underpair facing double barrel from fish 300bb deep 1/2: Underpair facing double barrel from fish 300bb deep

09-29-2017 , 01:30 AM
History hand: Hero opened $10 4-handed with 76ss UTG, V in SB called.

Flop ($22): 953hhs
V check/calls $12

Turn ($46): Ah
Checks through

River ($46): 2h
V check/calls $20 with T3dd and starts bragging about how he can "see through things" and how nobody else at the table would make that call.

OTTH.. 6-handed

V straddles $5 in CO, BTN calls, Hero raises to $20 with 77 in SB, V 3bets to $50, only Hero calls (as we're $600 deep)

Flop ($105): T92r
Hero check/calls $70

Turn ($245): Tx
Hero checks, V bets $120, Hero ?

Preflop: Probably better to just complete?

Flop: Decided to get sticky.

Turn: On the surface, this looks like a card that should protect my range and discourage V from betting most of his preflop 3betting range (that shouldn't include any Tx to begin with as he's mostly passive pre). This leaves him with overpairs and big Ax which should slow down on that turn.

My thoughts are: either fold now OR call turn/call river?

Last edited by momo_uk; 09-29-2017 at 01:38 AM.
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09-29-2017 , 01:40 AM
When you call the 3bet pre, you're doing it to set mine and the mines are dry. Pack it in OTF when our 3rd pair sucks. It's likely we'll be barreled & forced to give up later anyway. If we decide to open 77 pre with the dynamics described, I'd size much larger, ~$30-40.

Also, how do we have a super-tight image when we were just caught opening 76s & bluffing the river? (BTW, I'm prolly betting the A OTT in that HH, then shutting down)
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09-29-2017 , 02:49 AM
pre: I'd normally raise to $25 but since we're a bit deeper I'd make it $40 as I'd like to take this down pre

flop: when we call the 3b pre I'm mainly looking to set mine; since we didn't hit our set I'd just fold; V can barrel any J-A on the turn and I also hate that we are OOP so V can put a lot of pressure on us on the turn or he could check back the turn IP and then he gets to see a free river card and can realize his equity better if he has 2 broadway cards

If you do call the turn be aware that about 35% of river cards are going to be an overcard to the board so if V bets river you're going to be in a very tough spot facing a rather large river bet

Last edited by CWsports; 09-29-2017 at 03:03 AM.
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09-29-2017 , 03:59 AM
^ Most 1/2 Vs are never betting the river without a boat because they're afraid of the T. So his river bet is heavily polarized to boats or nothing.
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09-29-2017 , 04:24 AM
I think I'd just flat this pre OOP, but I'm a fan of getting to the flop as cheap as possible with low pocket pairs OOP looking for a set. As played though, I think I give up on the turn, he could be bluffing, but even his bluffs have some equity vs your 77 or you're just absolutely crushed already.
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09-29-2017 , 04:52 AM
Preflop sizing is terrible in both hands. I feel like a broken record.
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09-29-2017 , 05:05 AM
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Originally Posted by momo_uk
^ Most 1/2 Vs are never betting the river without a boat because they're afraid of the T. So his river bet is heavily polarized to boats or nothing.
V 3b pre so I think he can bet the river with JJ-AA as well. This guy seems pretty arrogant and all he's thinking is "I'm gonna bet 3 streets with my overpair b/c there's no way my opponent has a T so I'm gonna show him that I can soul read him again" so I think he can be betting with value hands that are non boats on the river.
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09-29-2017 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by CWsports
V 3b pre so I think he can bet the river with JJ-AA as well. This guy seems pretty arrogant and all he's thinking is "I'm gonna bet 3 streets with my overpair b/c there's no way my opponent has a T so I'm gonna show him that I can soul read him again" so I think he can be betting with value hands that are non boats on the river.

Definitely not impossible, but just think it's unlikely, especially with JJ or QQ. It'd be way too thin.
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09-29-2017 , 06:15 AM
^There's no telling what a 1/2 fish calling PF raises with T3dd can do, lol
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09-29-2017 , 08:25 AM
1rst hand turn is a pretty clear double barrel. River is fine. Funny how he called with bottom pair tho lol.

2nd hand would just fold flop, hand cant withstand multiple barrels and we are pretty low in our range here. Yeah sure it's rainbow but this is a board that favors our range, and most players are less inclined to bet a lot of their range on say Axx or Kxx.

Ap easy fold ott
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09-29-2017 , 09:35 AM
Does anyone fold pre itself?
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09-29-2017 , 09:44 AM
Call pre to set mine is fine, though I wouldn't have raised initially.

Fold flop. You have no reason to believe he's aggressive when he's missed, and OOP you can't pot control as easily.
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09-29-2017 , 10:18 AM
Most here will say this is a spew ... But I would definitely consider a c/r on the Flop here. Most 'fish' really aren't fish when it comes to 3-betting. Granted he is defending a straddle here so the door is cracked open. Which, IMO, gives us an even bigger reason to c/r.

What are you expecting on the Turn? You are no longer getting set-mining odds on the Flop. Did you really think he would check behind on the Turn? Getting 'sticky' is not a plan for the rest of the hand (although I do my fair share of being stubborn).

Obviously I don't know enough about either one of you. His image of you is very important here. I would even consider a Donk bet on the Flop here if he saw me as tighter. GL
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09-29-2017 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MIB211
Call pre to set mine is fine, though I wouldn't have raised initially.

Fold flop. You have no reason to believe he's aggressive when he's missed, and OOP you can't pot control as easily.
1) I think raising here to control a crazy straddle raise is fine, but you certainly can go for the trap.

2) The aggression factor is what we don't know .. yes.

As I indicated earlier fish are fish, but their play can change drastically during 3-bets or raises .. and that's where I've seen plenty of players fall under their spell and stack-off expecting the T4o 'every' time. GL
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09-29-2017 , 01:37 PM
Ok, villain made a goofy calldown, but is there anything to suggest he 3-bets and double barrels without the goods? You calling down with 77 is the same kind of "soul read" you were mocking him for. Check-raise or lead on the flop would at least give you some idea where you are at. Now you're just hoping he's air-balling. I don't think the T on the turn would slow down overpairs much, especially since you raised pre yourself you won't have many T's in your own range.

Raising a straddle from the blinds is pretty dicey since it you get a caller or two, the straddler or other LP player can squeeze (like he did) and leave you floundering out of position. Limping narrows your range, but being out of position in a big pot is just so tough in general.
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