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07-27-2015 , 11:01 AM
1/2 game that has been very loose passive. A lot of preflop calling followed by fit/fold poker post flop. Hero sits back down at table after 45min dinner break, first hand back.

V ($250): 45ish white guy, not a reg and is playing on vacation with his buddy right next to him. Calls a little too much pre-flop and plays fit/fold post-flop and is is not great at understanding hand values. Has a bit of history with Hero as Hero has raised and isolated V a few times and taken down pot on the flop every time. After his last fold to Hero, V makes a comment to buddy to the effect that he's getting suspicious of Hero taking down every pot.

Hero: 30 yr old white kid, youngest at table, probably has a solid LAG image by most at table.

UTG straddles $5, 3 others (including V) limp, Hero raises $25 with AA. Only V calls.

Flop ($70): A44. H checks, V checks.

Turn ($70) A. H checks, V bets $40. Hero??
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07-27-2015 , 11:08 AM
Call turn

River... close between leading relatively small or check/raise

Last edited by Jmrode67; 07-27-2015 at 11:08 AM. Reason: like checking river as well I believe
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07-27-2015 , 11:29 AM
Bet the flop. Call now and shove the river. Highly unlikely he calls with a 4 now or bets it on the river.
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07-27-2015 , 11:39 AM
Can't really do anything but call here. I'm also checking river, doubt V calls a lead and he might try bluffing river since your hand looks like a medium PP.
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07-27-2015 , 11:42 AM
To clarify my previous post, I think checking river is best... As our hand does not look like Ax and allows him to try rep Ax and in doing so... he may actually bet quite large. We should also expect him to bet 4x somewhat frequently when checked to on river and much less frequently the pairs he limp/calls pre with.
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07-27-2015 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by bobman0330
Bet the flop. Call now and shove the river. Highly unlikely he calls with a 4 now or bets it on the river.
Really?? Bet the flop when he almost certainly has air and at best an underpair that will fold to the Ace on the board? I'm not usually a big fan of slow playing, but this seems like one of the spots where you almost have to because of how strongly I hit the flop.
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07-27-2015 , 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
Really?? Bet the flop when he almost certainly has air and at best an underpair that will fold to the Ace on the board? I'm not usually a big fan of slow playing, but this seems like one of the spots where you almost have to because of how strongly I hit the flop.
If he's not calling a bet on the flop with the air you've decided he has, why would he call a turn check-raise with air?

Why did you post asking what to do on the turn?
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07-27-2015 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by smmcoy
If he's not calling a bet on the flop with the air you've decided he has, why would he call a turn check-raise with air?

Why did you post asking what to do on the turn?
I guess in my mind once the second ace hits, it makes it less likely that I would have an ace in his mind, and since we had a history of me consistently taking pots against him w/o showing my hand, I think he may get curious and think I'm trying to steal later in the hand.
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07-27-2015 , 01:15 PM
I think we go for the 'ole super dumb bet on the river to induce.
I call turn and bet like $20 otr. It's going to be tough to get value on this. By checking we're hoping to get value from air but this isn't the easiest board to bluff on (even bad players will know this). By betting super small we're hoping he either looks us up with something dumb or raises because we "showed weakness and definitely don't have an Ace"
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07-27-2015 , 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wj94
Can't really do anything but call here. I'm also checking river, doubt V calls a lead and he might try bluffing river since your hand looks like a medium PP.
Agree. V's range is very air-heavy on the turn. Let him bet again on river.

On the flop, I would have bet for value. Slow playing has a lot less value when villain can't turn top pair. Like the best case is he has something like KQ and turns *second pair* - 6 outs = about 12% of the time. So it's unlikely he improves and even when he does, you still won't win a large pot.

Given your image, texture, villain's possible range and your type of boat, I'd just bet for value on the flop. By the way, you block Ax 75% on the flop, but that doesn't mean it's impossible. While I'd definitely slow play TT on T62r because there's a lot of possible value in giving villain a chance to turn top pair with a J,Q,K,A and give you two big streets, that doesn't really happen here.
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07-27-2015 , 02:53 PM
Call relatively quickly and check river in same fashion. Hopefully he tries to take us off what looks like 55-KK / king high
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07-27-2015 , 03:16 PM
Cbet smallish otf. As played, xr to ~90. You would never do this with Ax. Let him spazz.
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07-27-2015 , 08:15 PM
I would call turn, pot is now $150, lead river $65-70. From description of villain he probably gives up on bluffing and checks behind river; by betting, he will call with pocket pairs and Kx he would also otherwise check behind.
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07-27-2015 , 08:21 PM
Call turn, check river. Villain doesn't sound like the type to spazz-bluff. Maybe he overvalues a 4 and bets the river. Maybe he bets the river hoping to push you off a smaller pocket pair. But probably not.

There just isn't much value here against this opponent.
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