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04-05-2012 , 05:40 AM
Hero- $225 Tag/lag idk what my image is tbh. I have a losing image that's all that matters, down ~4BI and on my 5th BI over the past ~12 hours of play (2 sessions).

V1- $70 retired doctor, likes to limp a lot, bets when he has a big hand or draw, will bluff once if checked to, comes to play to bull****/get out of the house, can semi bluff/ get funky when he's on a rush, he's not on a rush,

V2- covers- stay at home dad with a gambling problem. Apparently he decided to quit his 50k/year carsales job to play lol 1/2nl 3 years ago and he's run hot (he's still playing the game). Typical live player, likes to limp RR AA-KK, talk smack, limp atc, overvalues TPTK, trips etc,
1/2 7 handed

folds to V1 who limps CO, V2 limps OTB, I complete 78dd, BB checks

Flop: 6d Td 9h ($8)
I bet $6, bb folds, V1 calls, V2 calls,

Turn: Jh ($24)
I bet $18, V1 min raises to $40, V2 3bets to like $89, Hero

I'm guessing

V1 has two pairs, sets, straights, and big draws like TP+sd, TP+fd

V2 is repping KQ. Wouldn't he have raised KQ otb? I don't know if villain is getting frisky with 2P or a set here because of the action and the scary board+ limped pot and I highly doubt villain is sophisticated enough to even think about trying to force me out of the pot.

Am I willing to go broke in a limped pot after I've only invested $26 and now I'm facing aggression? What is everyone doing here?

Last edited by Grin -N- Bear IT; 04-05-2012 at 05:48 AM.
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04-05-2012 , 05:55 AM
Well first off just stop playing. 5 buy ins over 12 hours is not good. 1/2 is always juicy so just take the lose, review your play, and prepare for the next session.

As far as this hand goes, you have the second nuts, with a redraw to a flush. Like you said, both villians range is super wide which most of it you beat. Even if dude wakes up with KQ here you still have outs. Get it in.

Oh, and leave.
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04-05-2012 , 06:10 AM
Yes it's a limped pot but you have the second nuts + a redraw to the flush.

If you complete from the SB with 87s it's not to fold the 2nd nuts on the turn 100bb deep.
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04-05-2012 , 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Morph3us
Well first off just stop playing. 5 buy ins over 12 hours is not good. 1/2 is always juicy so just take the lose, review your play, and prepare for the next session.

As far as this hand goes, you have the second nuts, with a redraw to a flush. Like you said, both villians range is super wide which most of it you beat. Even if dude wakes up with KQ here you still have outs. Get it in.

Oh, and leave.
I'd never play 12 hours in one day especially if I was stuck. I start to lose focus after ~4-5 hours and I even take breaks in-between. I meant 12 total hours of play over my last 2 sessions (6 hours a session)

I have a 2BI stop loss that I sometimes make 3BI if the game is extremely good.

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Originally Posted by lanyi
Yes it's a limped pot but you have the second nuts + a redraw to the flush.

If you complete from the SB with 87s it's not to fold the 2nd nuts on the turn 100bb deep.
Playing 2/5 on the weekend and moving down to 1/2 during the week has messed with my head a bit because of the aggression, no scared money vs scared tight money+ running not so good has made me question spots I wouldn't think twice about.

So this is a no brainer stick it in
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04-05-2012 , 09:02 AM
yea iam never folding the second nutz in this spot
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04-05-2012 , 09:47 AM
I think this is an obvious ship. I also agree with above comments that 12 hours is too long for most people to continue playing well, especially when losing. save your long sessions for when u have a winning image, and even then I'd cut them down to 8-9 hours, but if your can do it then props. Also, u state that villain 2 has obvious leaks in his game but has been playing pro for 3 years?!?!? It is 1-2nl but I think u might be underestimating your opponents if u can simply write off a 3 year pro as being on a heater.
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04-05-2012 , 10:04 AM
Um, hero does not have the second nuts.

But yes, I think we are shipping here.
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04-05-2012 , 10:09 AM
There is only 1 superior hand that make sense, K Q Unless villain made an awful call and chased a gutshot that isn't even good when it hits with the FD out there.

Ship ship ship. By reading your analysis, it seems that you already knew shipping was the right move though.
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04-05-2012 , 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by castlerook
Um, hero does not have the second nuts.

But yes, I think we are shipping here.
True, Q8 is ahead as well. Given V2 is described as someone who can limp ATC and that Q8 has a double gutter on the flop it's perfectly within his range as well.
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04-05-2012 , 10:21 AM
Ship the nickels IMO. Leave if you lose.
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04-05-2012 , 11:30 AM
I take it you shipped it and ending up losing, hence the question if it was the right play? Try not to be results oriented, in a limped pot I think it's an automatic all in and I feel, while behind a small percentage of the time, most times at 1/2 villains will take similar lines with 2 pair, sets and all sorts of stuff that you are way ahead of.
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04-05-2012 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by canoodles
Ship the nickels IMO. Leave if you lose.
This all over the place.

2pr or a set looks like the nuts to late position donkey limpers here.
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04-05-2012 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Larry Lido
Also, u state that villain 2 has obvious leaks in his game but has been playing pro for 3 years?!?!? It is 1-2nl but I think u might be underestimating your opponents if u can simply write off a 3 year pro as being on a heater.
When I see villain 2 calling off 20% of his stack for pure set mine value OOP or IP, limping the btn, calling speculative hands basically any two suited vs an open 50bb effective stacks, sometimes buying in as short as ~25bb, lack of aggression to bluff people out when missed, calling for miracle gutters with false outs, failing to make plays like protecting equity by pushing people out of a hand when OOP MW, giving a play by play analysis about a hand he sucked out on instead of just sympathizing with the fish or whatever, limping ATC all positions, betting the minimum on a regular basis with bluffs, bottom pair type hands and continuing in the hand when faced with a large raise OOP shallow stacks, overvaluing hand values or potential outs, slow playing the nuts, delaying his flop cbets when he hits, the list goes on and on and yet I see this dude suck out and win. He is running hot.

It's basically the same when i've seen him sit @ 2/5 but he plays a little tighter not so much limping but he still buys in short ~50bb and hopes to get lucky

The man isn't dumb enough to 4bet/5bet AI 99-QQ or AQ deep or anything like that, but he's so ****ing loose pre and post and he doesn't make up for it by value betting thinly where I can't see this guy making a "living" especially when I know he has a wife and 2 kids.

I made the obv shove and he called with black KQo and I bricked out. Sometimes it's good to just checkup on hands like this. Thanks guys.
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