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02-19-2015 , 12:12 AM

JDMSPNCR

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Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 5

Hero's image is TAG and is +$130 in ~1 hour.

V1 is tight calling station, V2 is loose passive.

V1 opens for $6 utg+1 and V2 calls in MP+2 and I call with K

in hijack, eff stacks $240.

Flop comes 5

. V1 cbets $10 call call.

Turn A

and v1 bets $15, V2 shoves with ~$40 left and I shove ~$180 over.

Im thinking V2 has smaller flush draws trip 4's and possibly 55 boat. Trying to iso putting v1 on TT+ with only 1 combo of aces beating me. Not sure if Im right in my calling throughout the hand or reading of the situation, love to hear any input.

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02-19-2015 , 12:24 AM

Garick

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tight calling station

What is a tight calling station? Tight pre and station post flop?

Why are you chasing V1 out OTT? Don't you want any more money from him? There's basically no trips or boats in V1's range, so you want a side pot with him.

As for calling V2's shove, obvious call is obvious. If he has 54, NH. At least you'll get a nice side pot from V1. Oh, wait...

Ok, that sounds too snarky: What I mean is that there's nothing in V1's range that beats you, and very little in v2's that does. Definitely no need to iso V2.

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02-19-2015 , 12:33 AM

Chunky Still Funky

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I would call here. V2 seems to have a smaller flush draw here. V1 is likely only calling with a hand that beats yours here if you shove, but by not shoving he might call with TT+ here and you could possibly extract a little more value from those hands.

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02-19-2015 , 12:36 AM

JasonSM

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Flat the turn and get it in on the river.

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02-19-2015 , 12:38 AM

Mattyk1992

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+1 flat turn.

I'm guessing you're posting this because V2 had like 55 or something and lost.

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02-19-2015 , 12:50 AM

JDMSPNCR

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Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 5

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Originally Posted by Garick

yes hes tight pre and calls down even with nuts, only seen him raise once and it was river min raise. Absolutely in hindsight its bad shove because im folding all his worse hands like you said and am getting destroyed by a call. just didnt want V1 to call with AK or JJ-KK and either have broadway river that might connect his boat or spike an A that completes a AK boat.

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02-19-2015 , 12:52 AM

JDMSPNCR

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Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 5

Thanks for all replies!

results are V1 insta calls, I table the flush and river bricks. V1 shows AA and V2 opens up 54o and I was behind both.

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02-19-2015 , 10:56 AM

DrunkTilt

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Grunch: I dont think you are near deep enough to be calling a "tight" players utg raise with KJs. Yes its only a $7 raise but I would pass on this unless we are at least 200bbs deep.

As played we certainly cant fold the flop and raising does nothing. On the turn I donty see a reason to shove over V2s small stack shove. This will usually fold out all of the overpairs that you put V1 on. We have position so why not flat and hope v1 comes along maybe with a 10-10+ with a spade and maybe we get a river bet in

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02-19-2015 , 11:54 AM

sierradave

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Originally Posted by JDMSPNCR

Ignoring results because this is the key spot where you made an error:

You've got the best possible flush. V2 either has a boat, trips, or a smaller flush. V1 either has a boat, a big ace, or an underpair to aces.

V1's boats are gonna gii with you, and you'll lose when V1 has a boat.

When V1 has AK/KK/QQ/JJ/1010, he's drawing very thin (2 or 3 outs in each case -- that's ~4-6%). As a general rule in poker, we would like our opponents to commit money to the pot when they are drawing very thin.

If we blast the pot everytime we have the nuts and they have a 2-outer, we're going to leave an awful lot of money on the table.

Call turn, call river.

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02-19-2015 , 01:24 PM

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au4all

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Originally Posted by DrunkTilt

I agree 100% with the above.

I'm assuming that if we don't shove that V1 shoves the turn or river. It's an easy fold when he does.

Going forward please wait, at least, 24 hours to post results.

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