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02-10-2020 , 11:38 AM
BTN: Older guy but not your typical tight OMC. Plays a tight range but willing to take stabs postflop.

I raise to 10 EP w/ TT, CO, BTN, BB call

Flop (40) Q86

I check, checks around.

Turn (40) 6

I bet 20, CO folds, BTN calls, BB folds.

I'm ranging V on made flushes, and Ax,Kx one spade hands. Unlikely Qx, and somewhat unlikely 6x based on tight preflop range and not raising turn.

River (80) 4

Given that the most likely range of hands I am up against are made flushes and Asx/Ksx hands, would it be better to blockerbet/fold river or check/decide river.

If I decide to check, calling vs folding comes down to how often V is willing to bluff river which I think is somewhat unlikely, so I expect to get a lot of check behinds. But, at the same time my line here looks weak going c/b/c and folding to a river bet doesn't feel great.

And if I decide to bet/fold I'm not really trying to get value, but trying to minimize the amount I'll have to put in the pot on the river, which isn't necessarily a great option either.

So what should the approach be here.

Last edited by SkatingIsTough; 02-10-2020 at 11:48 AM.
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02-10-2020 , 11:45 AM
Your suits are off. There are no flushes possible.
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02-10-2020 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Spyutastic
Your suits are off. There are no flushes possible.
Fixed.
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02-10-2020 , 12:16 PM
I think it's better to throw in a blocker on the river planning to fold to a raise rather than just guess if V stabs after you check.

OP: perhaps you can tell us about effective stack/sizes because the preflop action has set up a bad scenario for your TT oop against the world in a raised pot.
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02-10-2020 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon
I think it's better to throw in a blocker on the river planning to fold to a raise rather than just guess if V stabs after you check.

OP: perhaps you can tell us about effective stack/sizes because the preflop action has set up a bad scenario for your TT oop against the world in a raised pot.
About 200 effective with V.
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02-10-2020 , 12:20 PM
If you believe your range for him, a blocker bet makes no sense.
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02-10-2020 , 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by BeakWetter
If you believe your range for him, a blocker bet makes no sense.
Are you planning on calling a river bet?
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02-10-2020 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by SkatingIsTough
Are you planning on calling a river bet?
If this is the kind of guy that takes stabs I'm checking to induce and decide once I see his sizing. If he goes for like 3/4 pot then you can fold, but if he bets like 30-40 I'm snapping.
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02-10-2020 , 01:47 PM
You hold no blockers to villains value betting range and should therefore fold.

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02-10-2020 , 08:34 PM
Just check. He's never folding better. If he bets, it's almost always better than TT, but it's a check/decide.

I mean, what's he "stabbing" with that he called on the turn that doesn't beat TT? A smaller pp?
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02-11-2020 , 01:33 AM
I think it's closer to a x/f than a x/c, depends on sizing
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02-11-2020 , 01:45 AM
Not sure why you bet the turn. Seems to accomplish nothing
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02-12-2020 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Areevaderchi
Not sure why you bet the turn. Seems to accomplish nothing
For value and equity denial.
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02-12-2020 , 11:34 AM
I'm good with the hand as played through the turn.

If this guy can make a play on the river, then how can we be confident he won't see through a blocker bet and bluff raise?

Blocker bets rarely have merit and it doesn't here. Every single time you get called it will be by a better hand so there is literally no value in it. At least by check/calling (even it is a larger amount than you would bet), we keep his bluffs in. I'm also not opposed to check/folding.

Making a blocking bet here is just an excuse for not wanting to have to make a difficult decision. Depends on V's sizing but... C/C = C/F >> B
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02-12-2020 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Joey913
I'm good with the hand as played through the turn.

If this guy can make a play on the river, then how can we be confident he won't see through a blocker bet and bluff raise?

Blocker bets rarely have merit and it doesn't here. Every single time you get called it will be by a better hand so there is literally no value in it. At least by check/calling (even it is a larger amount than you would bet), we keep his bluffs in. I'm also not opposed to check/folding.

Making a blocking bet here is just an excuse for not wanting to have to make a difficult decision. Depends on V's sizing but... C/C = C/F >> B
Basically my thought process as played in the hand. I checked river and ended up calling a $50 dollar river bet. Got showed a mid flush.

I think with ranges so defined on the river and not having enough evidence to weight villain towards bluffing this spot, this should have been a fold.
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