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1/2 at TS: Ducks in BB short-stacked-- 3bet? 1/2 at TS: Ducks in BB short-stacked-- 3bet?

08-03-2011 , 05:05 PM
$1/$2 NL at Turning Stone 11:00 PM on a Sunday

Villain 1: MP, quiet middle-aged guy that appeared to know how to play and appeared to be observing the table. Didn't see him table a bluff but has a wider-than-normal opening range.

Villain 2 (~$400): SB, pissed drunk 30ish drooler that is being loud and sometimes verbally abusive to others at the table. He's been raising to exactly $12 3-4 hands per orbit, cbetting $32 then tabling 63o when he gets mucks. Drooler likes me because I appear to be the only one at the table that doesn't get pissed off by his style of play. He frequently chats with me about whose money he wants to take next. At this point in the night he told me had three Four Lokos before he came here, was ordering Labatt Blues and shots of vodka every half hour or so, and would periodically leave to go smoke more pot in his car.

Hero ($51): BB, playing standard tight and aggressive, have opened probably only one or two pots in the last hour or so.

Mucks to Villain 1 who raises to $12 from MP. He doesn't look tremendously strong, and I think that if he had a premium hand he would wait for drooler to raise so that he could re-pop it. I think he doesn't want drooler in the hand, which is why he raised before drooler could. I think he has something like AQo.

Mucks to drooler in SB who just flats. To me this means any suited cards, connectors, or any ace. Pretty sure he re-raises the top of his range here.

Hero is in the BB with 22

?? $49 behind, $12 to call. I tank-shipped here but I'm not sure if that was the right play.
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08-03-2011 , 05:13 PM
You're biggest mistake, IMO, is pre preflop. You're sitting to the left of a drunk, stoned, aggro drooler who's got $400 in front of him for the taking and yet you're sitting with only $50 in front of you. Buy in for the max, IMO.

As played, I think I also ship preflop (but I'm no shortstack expert), especially given your reads and for the fact it is for only 25 BB.

GcluelessNLnoobG
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08-03-2011 , 05:27 PM
ship it. then rebuy in for 400 LOL
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08-03-2011 , 05:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by gobbledygeek
You're biggest mistake, IMO, is pre preflop. You're sitting to the left of a drunk, stoned, aggro drooler who's got $400 in front of him for the taking and yet you're sitting with only $50 in front of you. Buy in for the max, IMO.

As played, I think I also ship preflop (but I'm no shortstack expert), especially given your reads and for the fact it is for only 25 BB.

GcluelessNLnoobG
I'm a total n00b with a $700 bankroll that was taking his shot at 1/2 on his 18th birthday weekend, so I was buying in a little short. Drooler was in the 1 seat and I drew the 9 seat, but I was at least wise enough to ask the dealer if I could move to the 2 seat after it opened up. The whole time I knew I wanted to be playing deeper, but taking a shot was scary enough without having $200 in front of me, know what I mean?
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08-03-2011 , 09:04 PM
easy fold. 22 is a dog to 40% of hands and def a big loser cuz of rake. wait for 66+ and 2 cards higher than Ten
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08-04-2011 , 12:15 AM
Quote:
You're biggest mistake, IMO, is pre preflop. You're sitting to the left of a drunk, stoned, aggro drooler who's got $400 in front of him for the taking and yet you're sitting with only $50 in front of you.
This. Sorry, but it really doesn't matter how bad the other players are (except slightly in how wide they'll call) if you're only choices are fold or shove.
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08-04-2011 , 09:52 AM
*grunch
Fold. I've played at turningstone before and u should be able to pick a better spot than 22 with no FE.
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08-04-2011 , 10:17 AM
Pocket twos are roughly even money vs a random hand and a 4-1 dog vs a pocket pair. Hero is going to need some fold equity for this type of play to be profitable. I don't see either player folding to a pot-sized all in, so I do not like the play.

I like it even worse when I read that Hero is taking a shot with limited funds. These villains are just as likely to call an all-in preflop bet when Hero is holding a premium hand. Hero should muck his pocket twos and wait for a better spot vs this cast of characters.

My $0.02 -=- DrStrange
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08-04-2011 , 10:47 AM
fold your hand. come back when you have a couple of buy-ins to use.

One of them is going to call you. Maybe even both.
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08-04-2011 , 11:28 AM
Going all in means playing showdown poker with the worst pair you can have before the flop. Fold and find a better spot.
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08-04-2011 , 11:53 AM
Grunch.
Don't play 25 bb stack. Reload.

As played fold.
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08-04-2011 , 12:02 PM
Results for the hand:
Spoiler:
V1 (original raiser) tank folds. I think my table image helped here. Drooler folds A-10o face-up (respect!!). I figured this was not a very likely outcome and didn't want to be results-oriented which is why I chose to post it. I figured I probably got lucky there.


Results for the shot:
Spoiler:
I lost $80 in seven hours of play on Sunday night, then ran $60 up to $375 in an hour on Monday afternoon and cashed out.


Thanks for the responses everyone! Thinking I'll fold it next time.
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08-04-2011 , 02:28 PM
If you are worried about bankroll then buy in for 200, play solid and dont take any risks.
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