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06-03-2019 , 10:24 AM

SpinzFTW

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 329

Hi all,

I just transferred tables and have only seen a few hands. Main villain playing nearly every hand, and saw him showdown K2ss in a 3bet pot from EP.

OTTH

$1/2

Folds to Hero MP1 ($400) - AQo raise to $8
Villain (1 ) - $250: flats
SB & BB flat.

Flop ($32): 3h Qs 6h

Checks to hero. Bet $20. Villain flats, blinds fold

Turn ($72): 5s

Hero checks, villain jams $200

Hero: ??

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06-03-2019 , 11:08 AM

Garick

Oberbiergenießer

Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 26,524

I would bet turn for fat value.

As played, without more reads that this guy just goes bonkers attacking perceived weakness, fold. You're still ahead here some, against hands like 5hXh, but even those have enough equity that they don't make up for the times you are crushed.

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06-03-2019 , 11:14 AM

Minatorr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

Call

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06-03-2019 , 11:44 AM

samo

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 4,251

As played, I'd let it go. His range appears to include 2-pr hands like 63/65, even the GS 74/42 got there.

It's important to know if your hand included a heart, sounds like no.

Also, larger value sizing on flop and bet turn.

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06-03-2019 , 11:48 AM

Spanishmoon

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,518

Grunch: OP, do you have Ah? I think this is pretty important info. Thanks!

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06-03-2019 , 11:49 AM

PFunkaliscious

veteran

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 3,061

you enticed this semibluff when you checked to him. why did you check? call.

he is going to have 45 here a lot

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06-03-2019 , 12:04 PM

ranceg29

centurion

Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 149

Im not going to bash the check on the turn. Enticing a semi bluff is actually an argument FOR checking the turn. Albeit it puts us in a tougher spot.

This is a read dependant spot. Whats your read on him? Whats he capable of? Are there pair + draws in his range. Is he spazzing with KQ? Is this only 2 pair or better. If you can get a few hands that you beat into his range I think you'll have the equity to call...just depends on how much variance your willing to take.

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06-03-2019 , 04:16 PM

SpinzFTW

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 329

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Originally Posted by Spanishmoon

Grunch: OP, do you have Ah? I think this is pretty important info. Thanks!

Yes I did.

Checked to not just induce bet but to slow down and pot control. I had trouble ranging him and turn brings alot of possibilities to weird connecting hands that this type of villain may play.

Will leave this up a bit longer before posting results.

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06-03-2019 , 05:19 PM

WereBeer

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 10,700

Villain has silly ranges, question is what does he spaz with?

If his range is clustered around draws, two pairs and made straights that hit the 653 part of the board, we are a dog. If he has significant Qx combos, we are even or better, but I would tend to discount these a lot because showdown value is a thing.

Unless you have seen villain employ the spazzy overbet before, I probably let this go. We can't really range villain terribly accurately and this can go either way depending on reads.

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06-03-2019 , 06:23 PM

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Spanishmoon

old hand

Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,518

The temptation is to try to narrow V's range a lot in the analysis. Given that H has Ah, it really limits the plausible Heart combos he could take this line with to : 8h7h, 5h4h, 7h4h, Qh7h. This is only 4 combos. In spades, it's As6s, As3s, 7s6s. So 7 total.

We block many of the Qx combos and I agree with WereBeer that he can show down many of them anyway. But there are more of them. And of course there's spazz.

Against even a SFD, we get the correct price. We're only behind one plausible straight and there's only a few two pair combos and I'm having trouble finding too many he could take this line with.

So I'm calling but I ain't happy.

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06-03-2019 , 06:44 PM

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SpinzFTW

journeyman

Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 329

Thanks all for the discussion.

Hero folded, villain mucks.

Later on he made a somewhat similar play where he check overjammed to a c-bet (the jam was 4x the cbet something ludicrous) and tabled a set of 7s when the hero called.

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06-03-2019 , 06:59 PM

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Minatorr

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2016 Posts: 5,235

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Originally Posted by SpinzFTW

4x the cbet? Wouldnt that imply effective stacks are fairly shallow..?

Also, i think jamming over a cbet is a lot stronger than jamming vs a check (capped range)

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